Shane Lee or Ian Harvey

[Spikey]

Shane Lee hit the sign and Ian Harvey didn't, so a pretty simple case, this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cta4xwxGAws

 

[Top_Cat]

As an actual contributor, Harvey and it's not that close.

Lee threatened to be really good and was more physically talented but underachieved with the ball especially. I remember hearing stories about how he was the quickest bowler in Sydney grade before his younger bro blew everyone away. Bloke with his pace and seam should have taken more FC wickets but, from memory, had glass knees.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

If he was a kiwi he'd probably have played 70+ Tests tbf

Chris Harris only played 23 and he was twice the player Harvey was

 

[TheJediBrah]

Chris Harris only played 23 and he was twice the player Harvey was

if you say so

 

[Bahnz]

Ian Harvey always struck me as that random crap player that Australia picked just to give opposition fans a few moments of false-hope per-game before Bevan or McGrath would finish them off.

 

[Red]

How the hell did James Hope happened?

James Hopes was a gun ODI cricketer.

 

[Red]

Chris Harris only played 23 and he was twice the player Harvey was

Harvey was a significantly better FC bowler than Harris

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Yeah indeed, it isn't even close when it comes to bowling

 

[Bahnz]

Harris had a much better ER though.

Still awkward comparison as Harris was more of a Bevan-type batting allrounder.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Harris had a much better ER though.

Still awkward comparison as Harris was more of a Bevan-type batting allrounder.

Yeah was a very weird comparison. Harvey was more of a bowling all-rounder, or even a bowler at the top level. Even regardless of his batting he would have probably taken the new ball for NZ for the best part of a decade.

 

[mr_mister]

Well Chris Harris did bat at 8 a lot internationally. But also averaged 45 in FC cricket with the bat


It's hard to really nail him down as a batting or bowling all rounder

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well Chris Harris did bat at 8 a lot internationally. But also averaged 45 in FC cricket with the bat


It's hard to really nail him down as a batting or bowling all rounder

Having watched Chris Harris bowl a lot in ODIs (and noting that he has a bowling average of 73 in Tests), pretty safe to say he's a batting all-rounder in red-ball cricket I'd say

I get the feeling that the only reason he bowled much at all for NZ was that they didn't have much better and it suited their slow-medium restrict-runs ODI tactics, and suited their slower pitches

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Having watched Chris Harris bowl a lot in ODIs (and noting that he has a bowling average of 73 in Tests), pretty safe to say he's a batting all-rounder in red-ball cricket I'd say

I get the feeling that the only reason he bowled much at all for NZ was that they didn't have much better and it suited their slow-medium restrict-runs ODI tactics, and suited their slower pitches

Definitely. Actually had a superb record for Canterbury in NZ provincial cricket (Chris Harris 84 5442 57.89 251* ) average of almost 60.

That is the same province that Nathan Astle, Craig McMillan, Stephen Fleming (before moving to Wellington), Brendan McCullum (for a short time when not in Otago) and Chris Cairns all played for, yet Harris did better than all of them in provincial cricket as a batsman - just never clicked at test level.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's a pretty crazy drop to be averaging 20 with the bat in Tests. I'm actually surprised to see that he only averaged 29 in ODIs as well, he always seemed to do pretty well. Probably one of those Kiwis (seems to be a lot of them) who performed far above their usual level when playing against Aus

 

[_Ed_]

Definitely. Actually had a superb record for Canterbury in NZ provincial cricket (Chris Harris 84 5442 57.89 251* ) average of almost 60.

That is the same province that Nathan Astle, Craig McMillan, Stephen Fleming (before moving to Wellington), Brendan McCullum (for a short time when not in Otago) and Chris Cairns all played for, yet Harris did better than all of them in provincial cricket as a batsman - just never clicked at test level.

Weirdly, he batted at every single position from four to 10! Averaged 37.66 at number five, but only played three tests in that spot.

 

[mr_mister]

I feel his test average might have climbed with a larger sample size. Though im only basing that on his domestic record, his actual batting technique looked pretty agriculrural to me

 

[mr_mister]

Also it's quite surprising he only averaged 29 in ODIs considering he registered 62 not outs in the format lol. Third most of all time behind Bevan and Dhoni who both averaged over 50

 

[TheJediBrah]

I feel his test average might have climbed with a larger sample size. Though im only basing that on his domestic record, his actual batting technique looked pretty agriculrural to me

23 Tests is a decent sample

 

[mr_mister]

Yeah fair. For some reason I thought he played like 10

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm surprised to find that he's only 49 years old now. He looked about 49 when he was playing back in the late-90s