Shaffy 4 England and next Eng WC team

[ispeakbullpoop]

I think that its time to get rid of these "Lollypop" Hand Grenade 'spin bowlers' who do not even turn the ball, Giles is useless now and old, Batty is one dimensional too, Good for one day cricket but does not offer a threat in Test Cricket so I say pick Shaftab Khalid (Shaffy).

Plus We will have the BEST bowling line up soon, We have Anderson (Swing), Harmison (Bounce and Pace), Jones (Best pace bowler going looked vicious in Academy training), Sajid Mahmood (My god hes scary and hitting the 90+mph barrier with ease now at 6'5"), Andrew Flintoff (McGrath, pace with accuracy and 'Heavy ball')

I play with Shaffy almost every week back in London and hes vastly improved, they should try him now and see how things work out. *Cough* Moody and Graveney best release him to play for my team lol.

Bring on Sajid too, hes gonna be a star just watch out for him this year!!! Unleash him on the West Indies and give Harmison some time off with Durham to think over things.

As for batsmen, Trescothick, Vaughan, Butcher (I rate him soo much after seeing him at Surrey trials), Get rid of these nonsense so called all-rounders like Clarke he cant bat OR bowl to international level, give a TALENTED batter or bowler the chance to become an all-rounder.

ONE last point to MIDDLESEX coaches - Guys stop making your best all arounder becomes specialists in either Batting Or bowling, you could have had the most amazing squads by now if you did not do that.

To know more about Shaffy - http://www.geocities.com/wycombe_house
Go to player profiles -> Shaftab Khalid

GOOD LUCK to all you Wycombe House 5T4RZ currently on the County circuit or trialling this year :-)

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

With that record, it's a wonder that he hasn't been picked yet!

 

[marc71178]

Are you Chris Hinton in disguise?!

 

[ispeakbullpoop]

I cant quite tell if your being sarcastic but...

Have a look at some England rivals Stats
Batty - http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/PLAYERS/ENG/B/BATTY_GJ_01006981/

Thats not much better with heaps of experience

Dawson -
http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/PLAYERS/ENG/D/DAWSON_RKJ_01007824/

Its the 4 day game that matters, People slog and get out in 1 dayers.

Jason Brown -
http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/PLAYERS/ENG/B/BROWN_JF_01004229/

Monty Panesar -
http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/PLAYERS/ENG/P/PANESAR_MS_01010782/

What did you think about Having Sajid Mahmood in the England team too?

 

[Neil Pickup]

Shaftab & Sajjid both have a lot of potential but, like all young players, you want to make sure they don't over-expose themselves and burn out.

They're both on the A/Academy tour to India & Malaysia, and that's the perfect place for them right now, IMO.

 

[ispeakbullpoop]

Hmm but how about

We should blood people at younger ages, Look at Pathan, he has improved so far from bowling against the best batting lineup around.

Parthiv Patel will be like Sachin when he older as he has faced 80mph+ even 152kph at the age of 17-18.

West Indies have Sarwan, New Zealand have Hamish, Aussies have a class player in Michael Clarke, another point is Watch out for Bangladesh in 3 years time, they got rid of the entire squad for youth and ok they are being hammered now but they will soon all be 22-24 and have played 100 games a piece and used to the pace of international cricket ------ Youth is the way!!! PIck Pieterson too.

The current players are nothing special hence I feel some youth (The right players) need to be given a regular slot and be backed too. Flintoff took ages to come good but he is now quite a good player for us.

I also hope we resist the opportunity in selecting Law or Mohammed Akram (Although THANK GOD Akrams not in club cricket no more).

We could have had Symonds, Slater, Allan Donald and so many more play for us, lets hope Pieterson does not walk off to the SA team.

 

[Neil Pickup]

For every successful early blooding, there are many more failures.

I'm prepared to back the selectors totally here - it's not as if we have an old side, either!

Bangladesh are a different case - they have no competent older players at all, barring Habibul & Rafique, who are both certain selections.

Pietersen will be picked by the time he qualifies for residency. Law & Akram won't get picked. As for Slater & Donald - do you really think the latter two would have wanted to play for England?!

Pietersen has made it very, very clear that his future is with England - nothing like the other two.

 

[Richard]

For every successful early blooding, there are many more failures.

Crikey, someone else has accepted that!
I always thought that was a concept that was rejected by every cricketing mind except mine.
Early bloodings are almost universally, and incorrectly, accepted to be a good thing.
As for Shaftab Khalid, he was shown last season to be nowhere near accurate enough for domestic, let alone international, First-Class cricket. Nor does he turn the ball any more than Giles, that's just an assumption. Fingerspinners (of which Giles and Khalid are two) do not turn the ball except in conditions typical to the subcontinent and not many places besides.

Plus We will have the BEST bowling line up soon, We have Anderson (Swing), Harmison (Bounce and Pace), Jones (Best pace bowler going looked vicious in Academy training), Sajid Mahmood (My god hes scary and hitting the 90+mph barrier with ease now at 6'5"), Andrew Flintoff (McGrath, pace with accuracy and 'Heavy ball')

None of these bowlers are anything like proven pedigree at Test level; in fact, on the contrary, all are so far proven otherwise. If and when this changes can be guessed at only, not certified.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Sarcasm isn't just a word. It's a way of life.

 

[Richard]

? ? ?
Was that directed at me?

 

[Langeveldt]

Sajid Mahmood (My god hes scary and hitting the 90+mph barrier with ease now at 6'5"),

Hmmm?? You what? This guy is a stock, reliable military medium bowler :rolleyes: Ive seen enough of him to know he isnt a 90+ operator....

 

[Langeveldt]

and give Harmison some time off with Durham to think over things.

Ha, and that must be the ECB's new PC term for "your dropped"

 

[ispeakbullpoop]

OMG What match you lot watching?

This guy is a stock, reliable military medium bowler Ive seen enough of him to know he isnt a 90+ operator....

LOL Go watch him now at Loughborough whens hes back mate, hes been clocked there at over 90mph now hes improved and fast. Better still ask to face it :O

As for Shaftab Khalid, he was shown last season to be nowhere near accurate enough for domestic, let alone international, First-Class cricket. Nor does he turn the ball any more than Giles,

Now thats a classic Giles dont turn the ball he rolls it out at 45mph, good with the flight I do admit, but I'd suggest you go watch these guys at the Academy now they are much better now than they were at the end of season and he turns it a ridiculous amount.

 

[Langeveldt]

Re: OMG What match you lot watching?

LOL Go watch him now at Loughborough whens hes back mate, hes been clocked there at over 90mph now hes improved and fast. Better still ask to face it :O

So, jobbing medium pacer to Scarily quick paceman?? Ill believe it when I see it mate...

I was impressed by that Crook guy at lancs.. he had a bit about him...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

? ? ?
Was that directed at me?

That was explaining my earlier comment.

 

[Adamc]

Re: Hmm but how about

Parthiv Patel will be like Sachin when he older as he has faced 80mph+ even 152kph at the age of 17-18.

:O How so? Surely not alike in batting ability...

 

[Richard]

Re: Re: Shaffy 4 England and next Eng WC team

Hmmm?? You what? This guy is a stock, reliable military medium bowler :rolleyes: Ive seen enough of him to know he isnt a 90+ operator....

There are some terms that describe Mahmood. Stock, military-medium may be amongst them.
Reliable is not.
Mahmood's accuracy may be reasonable but it was not by any stretch of the imagination county standard last season.
Of course, a good winter of training may change that.
On the other hand, it may not. The only way to tell is to watch him, and his figures, next season.

 

[Richard]

Re: OMG What match you lot watching?

Now thats a classic Giles dont turn the ball he rolls it out at 45mph, good with the flight I do admit, but I'd suggest you go watch these guys at the Academy now they are much better now than they were at the end of season and he turns it a ridiculous amount.

Giles does turn the ball - did you watch the recent Tests at Galle and Kandy? Or the SSC Test on the previous Sri Lanka tour? Or the Ahmedabad Test in India in 2001\02? Or the Pakistan Test-series of 2000\01?
If not, I suggest you look up some footage. Because Giles most certainly does turn the ball, when conditions allow it. No fingerspinner, however, will turn it when the pitch doesn't allow - the human hand doesn't have enough of a tight grip and enough revolution.
The only way to turn it on any pitch is to spin the ball with your wrists. Now unless Shaftab Khalid has developed a Muralitharan-like wrist (not possible) or totally changed his bowling-style (not likely) he cannot defy these facts.
If I had the opportunity to travel to Loughborough I would take it; sadly I don't, so I have to rely on invariables - one of which I have just quoted above.
Maybe the wickets at The Academy (if, indeed, they're wickets at all, not just mats) will offer more turn than a normal English wicket. If so, the spinners are in for a nasty surprise when they return to playing duties.
Oh, and Giles bowls far faster than 45 mph. No-one will ever have any success at all bowling that slow at the top level, no matter how accurate or how much spin.