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Scott Styris

nzidol

School Boy/Girl Captain
Remember he is 23 years old. Where was Gilly at 23? Probably not scoring 96 against a good English bowling attack at Lords, oh wait, Barry was actually only 22 when he did that.. hmmn. Not bad for a 22 year old. It seems to me that wicketkeepers, like spinners, have a tendancy to come into their own around 30 and mature as players and performers. Not too bad to be showing the talent and temperament Barry does at such a young age. He's also an outstanding wicketkeeper with quick feet and good hands, he's had to keep for a lot of overs while his bowlers have been carted over the last few series (except Bangers) and has made very few errors, it's a little easier to perform as a keeper/batsman when you're bowlers are firing and you aren't in the field so long - keep that in mind.

And yes, that LBW was out, but I think I was probably just assuming that yet another 50-50 call had gone against my beloved Black Caps. I've been playing cricket at a high enough level for long enough to understand that the decisions and luck which went against NZ probably wouldn't have changed the end result. But having been a player in those situations it's not as easy as the media like to say to just "shake it off" and don't let it affect you. Hell, when you see your teammates being constantly sawn off, and then you don't have any luck/decisions go your way in the field it can be the cruelest game in the world.

Just remember.. he's 23 okay. Just factor that in when you try to shoot him down comparing him to Gilchrist and others. When did Gilchrist debut? He was in his mid to late 20s from memory. I'm not having a go at Gilchrist, I mean how could you, he's fantastic, good to watch and a good keeper, but I am supporting Barry, he's about as good as any other keeper bar Gilly in the game at the moment. And lets not be children here and go on sheer stats, have a look at what you see, have a look at his impetus when he comes to the crease. Who else is there? Geraint Jones? Can't catch. Mark Boucher? Can't make the team. C'mon, does it hurt you Australians to admit that we have a star in the making here. If it's not clearly evident to you then you probably don't have much practical knowledge of the game, stats don't tell everything at a young age. Having played against guys like Barry and Franky at school and with guys like Richard Sherlock, Jesse Ryder and Ross Taylor at rep level it's pretty easy to pick those who have the goods, and trust me Barry does.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Craig said:
In your opinion, is it time the New Zealand selectors made the bold move and drop him from the Test team for the upcoming home Test series?

IMO yes, for me he isn't really lifting his game when his team really needs it, and it seems to me he is lacking a lot of confidence, and maybe it would be better for him to go back to domestic cricket and get his confidence back and in form.

And if Peter Fulton gets some more runs on the board, it will be hard to leave him out. As far as I am concerned, he seems to be coasting thinking today he doesn't always need to make a big score, thinking the tail will get the runs, which is wrong.

I think Astle could do with a word on the shoulder and be told to lift their game.
just 3 letters..... FTB
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Macka said:
No way should Styris be dropped. He has been pretty consistant over his short test career. He scores test centuries consistantly as well once he gets going, no one else in the NZ team does. In my view he has done very well since being asked to bat at 4 for NZ because of our lack of top-order players.

Sure he has been completely out-classed by the Aussies, but apart from Oram, who hasn't? He has had about 10 years in domestic cricket, I'm not sure him going back at this stage is going to achieve anything.

If anyone should make room for Fulton it would be Astle.
lets not forget that bar that 1 inning at trent bridge( flattest track) he was miserable for the rest of the series in england.
 

nzidol

School Boy/Girl Captain
Richard said:
Where does this Barry come from? I could have sworn it was Barrie. :mellow:
I used to play cricket against him, not study his middle name.

But I guess trainspotters who know a persons middle name is better acquainted with him?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
lets not forget that bar that 1 inning at trent bridge( flattest track) he was miserable for the rest of the series in england.
Please don't pick a needless argument over this, but I'd say the Lord's wicket was flatter. Though there wasn't as much turn in the first-innings as the second, there was still more turn than at any time at Lord's.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
nzidol said:
I used to play cricket against him, not study his middle name.

But I guess trainspotters who know a persons middle name is better acquainted with him?
No, when did I say that?
Just making a passing comment.
 

nzidol

School Boy/Girl Captain
Richard said:
No, when did I say that?
Just making a passing comment.
Whatever mate.

He's a great player, and i have every confidence he'll prove us all right here in nz who know him. You've gotta remember this is a guy who is very mature for his age, he already has a young family. That may not mean anything to anyone, but trust me it does. I think he's got a great perspective on the game, and that means a lot in this game. Interesting story behind how he got his missus if anyones interested.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I don't think it neccesarily means something.
Maturity on the field does not always relate to maturity off it.
Let's just wait and see - I for one have never said he doesn't have potential in the Test arena.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
Please don't pick a needless argument over this, but I'd say the Lord's wicket was flatter. Though there wasn't as much turn in the first-innings as the second, there was still more turn than at any time at Lord's.
the conditions were conducive for reverse swing though and i can assure you that NZ had a lot more problems against jones in that test than they did against any other bowler at any point of the first inning of the 3rd test.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
Done a lot so far, hasn't he?
which means that he cant do anything in the future does it?
cetainly better than someone with so glaring a weakness as sinclair and a proven failure in horne.
 

nzidol

School Boy/Girl Captain
Richard said:
I don't think it neccesarily means something.
Maturity on the field does not always relate to maturity off it.
Let's just wait and see - I for one have never said he doesn't have potential in the Test arena.
Fair enough, of course it doesn't do it for everyone.

But responsibility can do wonders for certain individuals, from what I know of Barry it will, and already has helped his game. The same thing happened to Cairns when he settled down.

I do know what you're saying though.. look at Warney, lol.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
the conditions were conducive for reverse swing though and i can assure you that NZ had a lot more problems against jones in that test than they did against any other bowler at any point of the first inning of the 3rd test.
True.
Still, Jones didn't come-out of that Test with especially outstanding figures.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
which means that he cant do anything in the future does it?
cetainly better than someone with so glaring a weakness as sinclair and a proven failure in horne.
Horne has blown too many chances, true, but I always liked him.
Never rated Sinclair at all, certainly not as an opener.
Of course Papps can do something in the future, and as soon as he's recovered from this abnormally long injury he should come back into the side. His last Test yielded one high innings (still needed a dropped catch, though, I'd add).
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
Horne has blown too many chances, true, but I always liked him.
Never rated Sinclair at all, certainly not as an opener.
Of course Papps can do something in the future, and as soon as he's recovered from this abnormally long injury he should come back into the side. His last Test yielded one high innings (still needed a dropped catch, though, I'd add).
in hornes last 8 test series(barring the ones against zimbabwe and b'desh) he had averages of 18,16, 2, 0.50, 7.33, 37,15, 29. certainly hes had enough.
sinclair is not going to be consistent irrespective of position with that footwork. at most you could expect the odd 100 every 5 games followed by several low scores.
as far as papps is concerned, i see potential in him, even if he hasnt done all that much so far in test match cricket.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
True.
Still, Jones didn't come-out of that Test with especially outstanding figures.
which is precisely what i've argued with you about in the past. sometimes bowlers can be too good or extremely unlucky and go though a test without too many wickets despite bowling well. if you ask me, giles' confidence this summer wouldnt have come back if it werent for jones at the other end, of course both of those giles wickets in the 2nd inning had to do with jones bowling at the other end rather than giles own skill.
 

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