Sachin Tendulkar vs Steve Smith (pace bowling))

[Johan]

Root and Williamson played early Rabada better than Smith did.

 

[subshakerz]

I dont think.my questions over Smith are as much pace as it is swing and bounce.

 

[Narayana]

Early Rabada
Morkel

Finally found it-

90+ MPH
Avg 29.57

80-90 MPH
Avg 60.94


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Clearly Smith has NOT faced 90+ MPH bowling much at all!

The same person made this table -

 

[sayon basak]

The same person made this table -

Date cutoff resulted in this amount of deviation? Wow.

 

[Narayana]

Early Rabada
Morkel

Root and Williamson played early Rabada better than Smith did.

Can you explain what he is trying to say here?

 

[Spark]

Johnson wasn't consistently above 145km/h on a ball-by-ball basis apart from that one summer. He'd have fast spells or fast overs but otherwise he was generally high 130s/low 140s, mostly because of how unstable his action was before he got dropped.

 

[Spark]

Johnson wasn't consistently above 145km/h on a ball-by-ball basis apart from that one summer. He'd have fast spells or fast overs but otherwise he was generally high 130s/low 140s, mostly because of how unstable his action was before he got dropped.

This applies to almost all "express" bowlers too. The bowlers who is genuinely, truly 145km/h for the majority of their deliveries through most of their career is vanishingly rare, most have a purple patch at most of a year or two, or they actively decide to cut their pace back (Steyn, Cummins, Bumrah all have done this) to the high 130s/low 140s because that seems to be the actual sweet spot for Test fast bowling, not true express.

 

[Johan]

Holding was pretty express always

 

[Narayana]

Holding was pretty express always

Is this stats is since 2020?

 

[Johan]

link to this tweet?

 

[Narayana]

link to this tweet?

x.com

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[Johan]

Can you explain what he is trying to say here?

He is trying to say that both things are true, but there is some form of "date cutoff" applied to the table and thus one comes off as 98 and one at 30, cut off point would logically mean that a date is used and everything before it is ignored.

 

[centurymaker]

Smith has faced 11,656 balls from pacers in total.



(Till 19th July 2023):

90 mph = 315 balls
80-90 mph = 8,559 balls
below 80 mph= ????

2023 : 19/07/23 till year end (4 tests)
2024 : 753 balls
2025 : 66 balls

Total = 9,693 balls + (< 80 mph balls ) + (balls from last 4 tests in 2023)

 

[centurymaker]

Smith faced 705 balls in his last 4 tests of 2023. From that, I would guess he faced at least 500 balls of pace.

(Manchester Test, Oval Test, Perth Test, MCG Test)

 

[Narayana]

Holding was pretty express always

Shamer Joseph is also bowling 145+ consistently
He Bowled 12 overs on the trot at 145 clicks+ with a broken toe at the Gabba . Incredible stuff.

 

[sayon basak]

Shamer Joseph is also bowling 145+ consistently
He Bowled 12 overs on the trot at 145 clicks+ with a broken toe at the Gabba . Incredible stuff.

That's a good argument.