DrWolverine
International Debutant
Who is a better player of spin bowling?
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Sachin Tendulkar vs Brian Lara vs Viv Richards (spin bowling)
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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SillyCowCorner1
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Johan
International Vice-Captain
Lara is the clear cut winner here, he destroyed Murali like nothing and bashed Warne so bad he got dropped.
Sachin, I do remember struggling with 2000s Murali a little bit and his ability against spin did go downhill while Lara was slaughtering Warne, Macgill and Kaneria (I know) like nothing even at the end.
Third is Viv, nothing against him but he was born too late to play Lakers and other wet pitch merchants of England and too early to play Warne or Murali, he got to play Underwood and the Indian spin quaret and did absolutely obliterate them. Best player of pace here though, a level above the other two.
Sachin, I do remember struggling with 2000s Murali a little bit and his ability against spin did go downhill while Lara was slaughtering Warne, Macgill and Kaneria (I know) like nothing even at the end.
Third is Viv, nothing against him but he was born too late to play Lakers and other wet pitch merchants of England and too early to play Warne or Murali, he got to play Underwood and the Indian spin quaret and did absolutely obliterate them. Best player of pace here though, a level above the other two.
Thala_0710
State Vice-Captain
Lara
Sachin
Viv
Sachin
Viv
sayon basak
International Captain
Lara at the top, Viv at the bottom pretty clearly imo.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Viv vs The Indian Spin quaret
9 matches, 909 runs @ 70, 4 hundreds and 2 fifties.
Viv vs the Pakistani spinners
11 matches, 888 runs @ 49.3, 2 hundreds and 5 fifties
Viv vs Derek Underwood
5 matches, 974 runs @ 121.7, 4 hundreds and 2 fifties.
all series on some spin friendly wickets. while Viv is at bottom, I think he deserves to not be placed tiers below, just a bit unlucky to never get to face Warne or Murali.
9 matches, 909 runs @ 70, 4 hundreds and 2 fifties.
Viv vs the Pakistani spinners
11 matches, 888 runs @ 49.3, 2 hundreds and 5 fifties
Viv vs Derek Underwood
5 matches, 974 runs @ 121.7, 4 hundreds and 2 fifties.
all series on some spin friendly wickets. while Viv is at bottom, I think he deserves to not be placed tiers below, just a bit unlucky to never get to face Warne or Murali.
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capt_Luffy
International Coach
I also don't buy Viv being a tier above the others vs pace. At peak, probs. Overall, hell nah.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
he's 100% better than everyone at playing pace, tier is whatever
capt_Luffy
International Coach
At best yes. Overall okay. But don't think it's by any nearly as huge a margin as being stated sometimes.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
your top 10 bats against pure pace?
sayon basak
International Captain
Ask for top 100 imo (and don't forget to add
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Narayana
U19 12th Man
Spd Smith for me.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Not in any strict order (considering high pace):
Viv
Sobers
Waugh
Tendulkar
Smith
Kohli
Lloyd
Hutton
Ponting
Chappell
Honourable mentions:
Lara
Barrington
Pollock
Headley
Gavaskar
Border
Weekes
Barry
Don't know what to do with Don tbh, Hobbs to an extent too.
Narayana
U19 12th Man
Abd?
Johan
International Vice-Captain
how much did your soul hurt typing Ponting?
anyway, when I rate "pace", I take swing and seam bowling together and I believe Viv really is the ultimate there, the swingers of Botham and Willis (prime), to the reverse swing of Imran, to the pace and bounce of Thomson to the complete package of Hadlee and Lillee, Viv really did it all. so personally, I don't got a few guys that high. But, people like Viv/Sobers/Sachin/Waugh/Hutton/Smith make it anyway, Ponting and Kohli don't for me personally due to their issues with movement.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
I pressed backspace 6 times....
If combined, then take out Kohli and Ponting (probs Lloyd too) and add Don, Hobbs and one of Lara or Gavaskar or Headley or Pollock
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Forgot him
DrWolverine
International Debutant
I know he doesn’t make it to the Top 20 ATGs but I have never seen him being uncomfortable with any kind of bowling be it pace or spin.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
idk why people gaslight people into thinking playing express pace is some kind of big feat tbh, especially considering most ATG pacers are 130kmph to 145kmph, with evolution of sports science and nutrition pacers have decreased their speed if anything because they know express pace doesn't do much except shave off your longetivity. IMO, one's ability against swing/seam is a lot more useful than against express pace.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
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