Ryan Harris vs Tim Southee

[PlayerComparisons]

So 12 year career for Southee and 2.5 year career for Harris.

 

[Flem274*]

By this logic, Chris Martin > Ryan Harris

Someones about to make that argument aren't they.

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah, but it says who is the better bowler. Ryan Harris is a better bowler. It doesn't say who had a better career. Whose career would I choose for NZ? Tim Southee, without even blinking.

I'd take Harris for the same reason I'd take KJ.

KJ won our most important game (with help). He was big dog. I'm not giving that up for someone who averages 29 across a career because they were better than Brent Arnel at 19.

 

[OverratedSanity]

By this logic, Chris Martin > Ryan Harris

Someones about to make that argument aren't they.

Strawman. Standard flem.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Flem and Athlai's posts on this thread giving me a serious angel devil on each shoulder vibe.

 

[Adders]

Australia had pace bowling depth during Harris' career too

Mate, I'm in your camp on this.....but that's a shocking take. Doug the ****ing rug, Ben Hilfenhorse and Peter Lion heart Siddle?? Must be one of the worst ever period in Aus history for bowling stocks.

But to support your argument, outside of Steyn (obviously) I can't name many bowlers I'd rate better than Jimmy A during this era.......Ryan Harris is one of them....Southee not even in that conversation.

 

[Athlai]

Flem and Athlai's posts on this thread giving me a serious angel devil on each shoulder vibe.

This is the truth of the twins

 

[Athlai]

The two wolves inside of you

 

[Silver Silva]

I think the use of English diction comes into play here, better Test bowler would have to be Harris , the better Test career would have to be Southee ..I think there is a difference, and since the question is better Test bowler my answer would have to be Ryan Harris.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bond v Southee would be a more interesting argument. Harris is just too superior it's not close

 

[capt_Luffy]

So Ryan Harris is better than Tim Southee because longevity can suck ma ass!!?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well, yes. Longevity is a thing, but better is better.

Jimmy Anderson isn't better than Marshall or McGrath

 

[OverratedSanity]

Would Ryan Harris still be better than Tim Southee if in addition to his 27 great tests, he played 50 other tests where he sucked and averaged 40 in them

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well, yes. Longevity is a thing, but better is better.

Jimmy Anderson isn't better than Marshall or McGrath

Yes. The same reason Frank Tyson hardly gets mentioned while talking about ATG bowlers. Do you think Narendra Hirwani would had been the GOAT had he retired right after his debut Test?

 

[Coronis]

Bumrah has barely played more tests than Harris and some people here think he’s top 20 material already..

 

[OverratedSanity]

Bumrah has barely played more tests than Harris and some people here think he’s top 20 material already..

Indians are allowed to overhype their fast bowlers imo. People from countries that have produced Richard Hadlee should have a little more shame.

 

[SteveNZ]

Bond v Southee would be a more interesting argument. Harris is just too superior it's not close

Bond>Harris.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

You don't rate 113 wickets at 23s? 57 Ashes wickets at 20s?

Pull up his innings by innings bowling list and look at his insane consistency. He took 0 wickets twice in a row once, and one of them was 0-6 off 8, and he took 5-for in that second innings.

Ryan Harris was a beast.

Tim Southee is not a beast, but had very, very good periods.

This sums it up perfectly.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

I think the use of English diction comes into play here, better Test bowler would have to be Harris , the better Test career would have to be Southee ..I think there is a difference, and since the question is better Test bowler my answer would have to be Ryan Harris.

Disagree , body of work/track record has to come into play when discussing who is a better Test bowler it cannot just be on pure skill or talent it's a mixture of ability and being able to stand up to the rigours of Test Cricket so the boring traits of fitness, availability,consistency, guiding the next crop of bowlers through in some cases these are all boring but very important qualities in what makes a good test bowler..
For me any great bowler with under 200 Test wickets is wasted potential for whatever reason and loses to a good/very good bowler with longevity every day of the week when comparing respective Test careers.

 

[Zinzan]

Stupid comparison this. Harris by the length of the 1000 Cook straits.