Rules query - bowling/fielding

[fredfertang]

If you're going to do that you should try to lob the ball into the stumps over the batter's head.

Would be a no-ball. A delivery crossing the batsman at his normal stance on the popping crease above waist height is a no-ball. If it goes on to hit the stumps it is still a no-ball, because the no-ball precedes whatever happens after that.

Charles Palmer of Leicestershire (he also played for England once in 1954) used to bowl a donkey drop which, according to some, he tossed up to 30 feet into the air. He got quite a few wickets with it dropping it on the stumps or persuading panicking batsmen to give a catch - it's so different from a beamer it's a shame it's now caught by the same law

 

[TheJediBrah]

Reckon they should change the law so that a full toss over head height is not a no-ball if it drops enough to hit the stumps

 

[cnerd123]

Personally I think the rule should be it's a noball for any delivery that crosses above the stumps without bouncing and not the batsman's waist at the popping crease. Would be easier to enforce too.

 

[Burgey]

Nah **** it. Worst rule ever was making waist high balls from spinners no balls. You want them to bowl you six waist high full tosses ffs.

 

[Bijed]

Whenever I have the occasional bowl the team I'm playing in must already be in diabolical trouble, so there's nothing to lose. I often bowl these sorts of things as a variation, because it's the only variation I have. But I always make a point of telling the batsman and umpire they're coming.

Picked up 3 fer filling in doing this sort of thing in November. The usual **** - set your field and say to the bloke at deep mid wicket "come in about ten for the one he doesn't quite get to and top edges" etc etc.

Anyway, I said to the batsman and umpire "Watch this - more air than Qantas" and tossed this thing about 8-9 feet in the air. He ran down the deck, but there was a huge cross wind and it drifted away (completely by accident). He missed it and Burgeinho took an easy stumping. Another bloke tried to pull one and missed it - lbw, a third hit one straight to said deep mid wicket. Was pretty funny.

I mean, we lost by ten wickets, but 3-14 off four is decent.

This was on EA Cricket 2007 right?

 

[Daemon]

This was on EA Cricket 2007 right?

Nah that was pitching the ball as slow and as short as possible to trick the batsman into going onto the backfoot. I used to use Ganguly to do the dirty deed iirc.

 

[Tom Flint]

An old boy at our club plays one of two Sunday friendlies a year and bowls like this. He always takes wickets. The batsmen aren't great they try to smash it as hard as possible their bound to not middle it sooner or later.
He doesn't run down the pitch and stand at silly mid on mind you

 

[eidde]

Hey folk, forgot I posted this.
Great replies from everyone thanks!!
Regarding the rule on not running down the pitch past a certain point, could anyone enlighten me on where that is?

Regarding getting tonked and being not the smartest to run to silly mid on - I play cricket for fun so those sort of things don't worry me as much as they probably should.
Example: last game I opened with one pad (one has lost a strap) no helmet (haven't bothered getting used to having my vision restricted) and no shoes (forgot them) on a concrete pitch. I'd been told the opening bowler was quick, but he turned out to be ~10kph quicker than anything I'd ever faced

Fun times. The love of the game is why I don't mind risking a broken hand or rib for a once in a lifetime catch off the worst bowling you see at silly mid off.

Oh, and re the no ball above the waist rule applying to slow bowling now - when did that start? It slipped by me.

 

[ankitj]

Would be a no-ball. A delivery crossing the batsman at his normal stance on the popping crease above waist height is a no-ball. If it goes on to hit the stumps it is still a no-ball, because the no-ball precedes whatever happens after that.

That's not true afaik. If a waist high ball hish the stump it can't be ruled a no ball.

 

[a massive zebra]

Is it even possible to bowl it slower than 40 mph. And if it was, has any batsman actually faced such bowling and been able to hit it? Have you? I know I've probably not faced anything slower than that - the only times I've batted to a bowler who struggles to get it across the pitch I know that personally, I haven't be able to generate a lot of power behind the shot. But I'm a crap batsman.

I just haven't seen any good batsman in that scenario either.

I'm pretty sure Darryl Cullinan was timed at 34 mph in the Test Match against England at Headingley in 1998. I was at that match and remember being amazed by the speed gun when Cullinan turned his arm over. Pretty much all his deliveries were timed at under 40 mph IIRC.

 

[CricAddict]

I have a basic query regarding wicketkeeping substitutes. Came to my mind when Moor subbed for Taylor in the previous game after Taylor had hit a century. (Moor was not in the team)

Can a team play a batsman instead of a wicketkeeper in their team while batting and then while fielding, just sub that batsman for a wicketkeeper? There should be a restriction around this, isn't it?

 

[Daemon]

The substituted player cannot keep, it has to be one of the original XI.

 

[CricAddict]

The substituted player cannot keep, it has to be one of the original XI.

Check this scorecard.

2nd ODI (D/N), Afghanistan tour of United Arab Emirates at Sharjah, Feb 11 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo

Moor is not in the team but has subbed as keeper and taken 2 catches.

 

[Daemon]

MCC changed the rules to allow that, I didn't know the ICC had adopted it already.

In any case I think there has to be an injury for the substitution to occur so it's not really a system you can game.

 

[TheJediBrah]

MCC changed the rules to allow that, I didn't know the ICC had adopted it already.

In any case I think there has to be an injury for the substitution to occur so it's not really a system you can game.

I wonder if someone will still try to. Like Ranatunga and runners.

 

[Top Cat]

Dinesh Karthik kept instead of Saha when the latter got injured in the third test match against South Africa.

 

[Victor Ian]

I haven't thought it through but I kind of like the idea of having a true specialist who does nothing but keep in the team. Then we'd be able to discuss who are the great keepers without this batting aspect always murking the waters. He'd be similar to the American punter. 12th man SHOULD be open for abuse.

 

[Daemon]

Nah I don't like it. Pretty much the only reason I make my Uni XI is because I keep wickets.