Ross Taylor vs Michael Vaughan

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Two seriously good players

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Need some unbiased opinion on this @RossTaylorsBox

 

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Who is the better human being

 

[Flem274*]

I'll find it later but my post on The Boss essentially being the difference between NZ having test and associate status for the first 4 years of his career says enough for me.

 

[Athlai]

Stephen Fleming would've scored more runs than Vaughan if he was born in England

 

[Prince EWS]

Stephen Fleming would've scored more runs than Vaughan if he was born in England

Fleming vs Vaughan would be a much better poll. I'd still go with Fleming I think.

I was a much bigger Vaughan fan than I was a Taylor fan but he under-achieved to a point where he was just clearly worse. Career less than half as long when you take into account how often he was injured, significantly lower average and significantly lower standardised average. My bias can't make up for that.

 

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Taylor might have 13k runs if he played for England

 

[Prince EWS]

Vaughan should have been ATVG at worst, but he was just a little above replacement value for most of his career. He was a better bowler than Root too and should've been able to manage Root-style troll spells a lot more often.

Knee injuries definitely didn't help and he pulled his weight with his gun captaincy but he was definitely a bit of a letdown as a batsman. I was such a huge fan too.

 

[Athlai]

Fleming vs Vaughan would be a much better poll. I'd still go with Fleming I think.

I was a much bigger Vaughan fan than I was a Taylor fan but he under-achieved to a point where he was just clearly worse. Career less than half as long when you take into account how often he was injured, significantly lower average and significantly lower standardised average. My bias can't make up for that.

You do get the feeling Fleming would've done well with better partners.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

An alleged racist vs someone who was at the receiving end of racism. Interesting.

 

[Prince EWS]

You do get the feeling Fleming would've done well with better partners.

Fleming spent the vast majority of his career batting 3 or 4 behind terrible openers and even opened himself sometimes despite the fact that he was a gun player of spin who struggled a bit against the moving ball, just out of necessity. His standardised average barely dips at all either which is very rare for a modern bat (40 --> 39, compared to Vaughan for example 41 --> 37).

In a good team he'd have been Laxman IMO - bat five, play spin well, rescue collapses. I know his average at 3 is a lot better than at 4-5 but that was more a case of what period in his career he batted there than his actual suitability.

 

[Prince EWS]

CW is great btw.

PlayerComparisons: Ross Taylor vs Michael Vaughan
CW: Lets talk about Stephen Fleming.

 

[Athlai]

Latham Conway Williamson Taylor Fleming

Aww yeah baby

 

[Athlai]

Too bad Rachin is gonna force Fleming out for even the post 2000 XIs

 

[BazBall21]

The impact Zimbabwe-bashing has on Taylor's record goes under the radar but Vaughan didn't do enough overseas outside the great Australia tour. To not even do well in SA/NZ I always find disappointing from someone who suited the southern hemisphere. Batted in a harder position though. Ross has vastly better longevity so I will give it to him.

 

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Vaughan vs Latham might be a better comparison

 

[BazBall21]

Taylor averages 33 overseas outside Zimbabwe. 36 after ten years playing so it's not like having a very long career wrecked his away numbers. As a no4 too. Thus this is a fair comparison. Vaughan's resume outside the hundreds against McGrath is underwhelming, so I still think Taylor is ahead. Fantastic ODI player mind. A bit overrated in tests imho and probably because he's such a good guy. Underrated in ODI.

 

[BazBall21]

Who is the better human being

Taylor. Vaughan doesn't annoy me as much as he used to though.

 

[Flem274*]

Taylor averages 33 overseas outside Zimbabwe. 36 after ten years playing so it's not like having a very long career wrecked his away numbers. As a no4 too. Thus this is a fair comparison. Vaughan's resume outside the hundreds against McGrath is underwhelming, so I still think Taylor is ahead. Fantastic ODI player mind. A bit overrated in tests imho and probably because he's such a good guy. Underrated in ODI.

Can't agree. I'm gonna be a wanker and link my own post: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...end-of-21-22-summer.85616/page-3#post-4714888

I can see why someone would vote for Vaughan even though I don't agree but attacking Taylor's stats at first glance is a very simplistic assessment. His long career absolutely did wreck his away numbers, because he played on long past his absolute peak which was statistically 'wasted' coming in at 2 for zip every game (as TH points out in the same thread).

Taylor was the senior batsman in his side (amongst an absolute shower) in his 6th test. He and Vaughan had very different careers in reality.

 

[BazBall21]

Can't agree. I'm gonna be a wanker and link my own post: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/thr...end-of-21-22-summer.85616/page-3#post-4714888

I can see why someone would vote for Vaughan even though I don't agree but attacking Taylor's stats at first glance is a very simplistic assessment. His long career absolutely did wreck his away numbers, because he played on long past his absolute peak which was statistically 'wasted' coming in at 2 for zip every game (as TH points out in the same thread).

Taylor was the senior batsman in his side (amongst an absolute shower) in his 6th test. He and Vaughan had very different careers in reality.

I voted for Taylor without a great deal of hesitation here. Vaughan playing generally in a strong batting side is a good point but balanced out somewhat by generally opening. Taylor's vastly longer career is a key factor in his superiority here but I also looked at his away numbers after ten years (a more conventional length) which weren't poor by any means but not great.