Ross Taylor vs Hashim Amla?

[vcs]

Amla was doing the role he was supposed to do and SA won the game. Unless you are suggesting that he should have started attacking just to satisfy people that he can keep up with De Kock.

Taylor is clearly the more explosive batsman when he gets going but Amla is pretty good in the role that he plays.

 

[sunilz]

It's weird how both Amla and QdK's bad runs have almost exactly coincided with WCs and Champions Trophies. Both are bilateral beasts. Taylor also hasn't done himself justice in those events I'd say, apart from that knock vs. Pakistan in 2011.

Root is also quietly going about building up a very impressive ODI record.

Root is only player apart from Kohli to have combined average of more than 50. Smith will join the list soon.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;qualval2=runs;template=results;type=batting

 

[RK_123]

Amla was doing the role he was supposed to do and SA won the game. Unless you are suggesting that he should have started attacking just to satisfy people that he can keep up with De Kock.

Taylor is clearly the more explosive batsman when he gets going but Amla is pretty good in the role that he plays.

Amla played a very good inning no doubt but here we are comparing two innings. You cant compare a standout performance which had patience, temperament and explosiveness to the one which was a good inning but in support role.

 

[sunilz]

Calling Amla an ODI ATG is laughworthy. He averages 44 against non minnows and doesn't have many great knocks under his belt. Nothing more than just a very good odi bat.

From current active players, he is behind kohli, AB, Dhoni, Rohit, Taylor and I expect Warner, Guptill, Root and de Kock to surpass him sooner as well.

Taylor doesn't even average 37 away from home.
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Hatred for Amla is clouding ur judgement. By no means is Taylor better batsman than Amla.

 

[Dendarii]

Hatred for Amla is clouding ur judgement.

That's what I just don't get. I could understand starting a discussion along the lines of "Here's what I found when I took a closer at Amla's stats. Is he really as good as we think he is?", but instead the approach taken seems to be an attempt to run Amla down, which is a little bizarre given that he's a front-runner for "International cricketer least likely to give offence".

And it's not as though people are hyping him up all over the place - if anything he's come under a bit of criticism for recent performances. So he seems like an odd target to pick.

 

[harsh.ag]

Amla wasn't even picked ahead of Saeed Anwar by CW recently. Imo that's underrating him if anything.

 

[akilana]

Are you seriously comparing an inning where a batsmen was chasing 330+ single-handedly(Latham gave some support but it was completely Taylor-esque performance) while coming to bat at score of 2-2 to the one where Amla played second fiddle to de Kock who was the more dynamic of the two and took the attack up front to lessen down the pressure?

are you serious??

 

[akilana]

It's weird how both Amla and QdK's bad runs have almost exactly coincided with WCs and Champions Trophies. Both are bilateral beasts. Taylor also hasn't done himself justice in those events I'd say, apart from that knock vs. Pakistan in 2011.

Root is also quietly going about building up a very impressive ODI record.

It’s also weird how their form dipped when India toured SA. I don’t follow them enough but I can conclude they suck in WCs and against India.

 

[Burner]

It’s also weird how their form dipped when India toured SA. I don’t follow them enough but I can conclude they suck in WCs and against India.

Don't think so. Didn't De Kock score 3 centuries on the trot against India in India? I think De Kock was just in bad form and Amla is clearly on the wane.

De Kock has problems in the WC though. He just looks lost everytime I have seen him and looks like he'll rather be in the dug out than the field and that's not good. Tbf to him though, he has pretty wierd facial expressions most of the time so I am probably reading him bad.

 

[Burner]

Also the reason people don't rate Amla is because he doesn't have a proper knock against a solid team in the WC. All he needs is one knock in the WC and he'll be world class again. It's pretty silly when you think about it, the man's played more than 150 games and 1 innings is going to prove what 150 couldn't. 2019 WC is going to be big for him in that respect. Even though he's on the wane, I personally think that he'll put all doubts to bed next WC and retire an ATG.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Also the reason people don't rate Amla is because he doesn't have a proper knock against a solid team in the WC. All he needs is one knock in the WC and he'll be world class again. It's pretty silly when you think about it, the man's played more than 150 games and 1 innings is going to prove what 150 couldn't. 2019 WC is going to be big for him in that respect. Even though he's on the wane, I personally think that he'll put all doubts to bed next WC and retire an ATG.

In an odd way I think people would rate Amla higher if his non- WC record was slightly worse. The fact that his JAMODI average is so amazing works against him.

 

[vcs]

I think they are good examples of ATVGs. Many people will start picking them in ODI AT 3rd/4th/5th XIs. Guess Taylor has more competition for a middle order slot compared to Amla for openers, though.

 

[akilana]

Don't think so. Didn't De Kock score 3 centuries on the trot against India in India? I think De Kock was just in bad form and Amla is clearly on the wane.

De Kock has problems in the WC though. He just looks lost everytime I have seen him and looks like he'll rather be in the dug out than the field and that's not good. Tbf to him though, he has pretty wierd facial expressions most of the time so I am probably reading him bad.

I wasn’t serious about it. People just look at the score card and come conclusions without thinking abou the so many variables that play a part in one’s perfromances.

De kock was injured prior to the WC and was going to miss it. Then it was said he made miraculous recovery and played in the WC. He played a good knock in the QF though.

 

[smash84]

Hatred for Amla is clouding ur judgement. By no means is Taylor better batsman than Amla.

This

 

[akilana]

Also the reason people don't rate Amla is because he doesn't have a proper knock against a solid team in the WC. All he needs is one knock in the WC and he'll be world class again. It's pretty silly when you think about it, the man's played more than 150 games and 1 innings is going to prove what 150 couldn't. 2019 WC is going to be big for him in that respect. Even though he's on the wane, I personally think that he'll put all doubts to bed next WC and retire an ATG.

Doesnt stop people from (over)rating Kohli and Sachin.

 

[Dendarii]

Don't think so. Didn't De Kock score 3 centuries on the trot against India in India?

It was the previous tour by India to South Africa.

Indian cricket team in South Africa in 2013–14

 

[vcs]

Doesnt stop people from (over)rating Kohli and Sachin.

Kohli has a century against Pakistan and Sachin has a longer list of great WC knocks against good opponents than any other player.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sachin's WC record is spectacular but the criticism of Kohli's record is fair enough imo. I'm surprised he doesn't get that much stick for it. He scored a hundred in the biggest game of all but not much apart from that.

 

[Daemon]

Don't forget, the immense pressure of a billion fans actually makes every match Tendulkar played the equivalent of a WC final.

 

[RK_123]

That's what I just don't get. I could understand starting a discussion along the lines of "Here's what I found when I took a closer at Amla's stats. Is he really as good as we think he is?", but instead the approach taken seems to be an attempt to run Amla down, which is a little bizarre given that he's a front-runner for "International cricketer least likely to give offence".

And it's not as though people are hyping him up all over the place - if anything he's come under a bit of criticism for recent performances. So he seems like an odd target to pick.

Amla is rated as one of the best odi batsmen of his generation after looking at his stats only which are wayy too misleading.

Obviously such comparisons will come because players with inferior averages have more impact towards the game than Amla has in odi format.

Do you see me basing hatred judgement on Amla's test career? I have issues with Amla getting rated as the top odi batsmen of this generation beacuse of his statistics although the fact is that he is nowhere close to it.

Neither does he have performances in World Cups nor does he have any iconic knock in bilaterals. He has taken his avg to 50 through a lot of low pressure runs as well as minnow bashing.