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Ross Taylor has been a great servant to NZ cricket and to the world game, residing over a golden age in his nation's game. I hope he receives a guard of honour.
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Ross Taylor to retire at end of 21-22 summer
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straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Look at Daemon being one of that clique of guys who repeat the same in-jokes and pet phrases day in and day out year after year when he should be having genuine debates about how terrible everyone is. Do you feel threatened when your narrative is challenged? Well do you?
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
ok you got me
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RossTaylorsBox
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Haha I don't think I logged back on until we won that match.
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straw man
Hall of Fame Member
having glanced at the other thread I'm somewhat scared about sharing in-jokes with you now tbh
thierry henry
International Coach
Yeah as Flem said Taylor’s raw stats don’t look that great and a deep dive doesn’t really do him any favours either - much better in NZ than away, ridiculously good against Zimbabwe, horrible record against and particularly in India and South Africa.
What’s quite telling imo is if you split his career roughly in 2, he averaged over 47 as at late 2014. This is BEFORE average-inflaters like the mass of runs against Zimbabwe in 2016, the 290 against Australia, or 200* against Bangladesh.
Up until approximately the point at which he ceased to be NZ’s best batsman, he was really very good, in a mostly poor team, and made a lot of tough runs against a mix of opponents. He was scoring centuries against the big teams in an era where we were just as thankful for centuries against the ‘small’ teams because we were flat out trying to beat them. Flem obviously covered that very well.
In all honestly, as a test player over the back half of his career he has really just been serviceable and with a bit of distance from his career and dispassionate analysis that may become more obvious. For me and I suspect a lot of others though, the fondness for Taylor comes from a sense of injustice that he was so good when we were so bad, and then when NZ became good he had waned somewhat, so that rather than belatedly receiving the praise he should have for the first half of his career, he was just as often seen by Joe Public as a weak link or a relic of that bygone era.
I also think there’s a large element of admiration for his longevity and stickability even though imo he’s an example of a player who visibly lost something during his career…actually relatively early in his career. He had a way of repeatedly refining and redefining his game to do a job when he could no longer do what he had once been able to. As a statzzz nerd and a believer in ‘you can’t just ignore part of a career’ it’s actually been instructive to me to see probably my favourite player mess up his stats a bit because he had regressed but was still willing and able to do a job for the team.
Anyway….I could really rave on because Taylor’s career had a really unusual progression with numerous different phases imo…but it’s almost 3am.
What’s quite telling imo is if you split his career roughly in 2, he averaged over 47 as at late 2014. This is BEFORE average-inflaters like the mass of runs against Zimbabwe in 2016, the 290 against Australia, or 200* against Bangladesh.
Up until approximately the point at which he ceased to be NZ’s best batsman, he was really very good, in a mostly poor team, and made a lot of tough runs against a mix of opponents. He was scoring centuries against the big teams in an era where we were just as thankful for centuries against the ‘small’ teams because we were flat out trying to beat them. Flem obviously covered that very well.
In all honestly, as a test player over the back half of his career he has really just been serviceable and with a bit of distance from his career and dispassionate analysis that may become more obvious. For me and I suspect a lot of others though, the fondness for Taylor comes from a sense of injustice that he was so good when we were so bad, and then when NZ became good he had waned somewhat, so that rather than belatedly receiving the praise he should have for the first half of his career, he was just as often seen by Joe Public as a weak link or a relic of that bygone era.
I also think there’s a large element of admiration for his longevity and stickability even though imo he’s an example of a player who visibly lost something during his career…actually relatively early in his career. He had a way of repeatedly refining and redefining his game to do a job when he could no longer do what he had once been able to. As a statzzz nerd and a believer in ‘you can’t just ignore part of a career’ it’s actually been instructive to me to see probably my favourite player mess up his stats a bit because he had regressed but was still willing and able to do a job for the team.
Anyway….I could really rave on because Taylor’s career had a really unusual progression with numerous different phases imo…but it’s almost 3am.
Moss
International Captain
Good observation here IMO (for the purposes of the thread anyway) as this marks roughly the halfway point in his test career. On tour, in conditions which didn't necessarily suit his game, he was able to find a way and play some cracking or highly invaluable knocks usually by the second test of the series - 113 at Bangalore (watched this at the stadium, was a breath of fresh air after Ashwin and co had cleaned up NZ in the first test), 104 at Dubai, his final test as captain at the P Sara and that half-century at Hobart when Aus were threatening to limit NZ's lead. His cutting of spinners like Yasir Shah from the line of the stumps was quite amazing.
From that point, think it was a combination of the eye trouble and NZ's less-frequent opportunities abroad which skewed the stats even further. But was certainly able to do the job reasonably well enough till the likes of Conway and Young finally came into the side.
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SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
The name Ross Taylor will always be associated with Ebadot now lol
Moss
International Captain
Surely it has to be asked - he's been immense at the ODI level, couldn't he have played on till the 2023 World Cup? I think he would still cut it in that format and his experience would be a real asset in India.
My feeling is he's always seen himself as an all-format player - recall that did not agree to Hesson's suggestion of split captaincy in 2012-13, and was miffed after being dropped from the T20 side. I think the selectors may have suggested something along these lines but he decided to quit everything at one go.
My feeling is he's always seen himself as an all-format player - recall that did not agree to Hesson's suggestion of split captaincy in 2012-13, and was miffed after being dropped from the T20 side. I think the selectors may have suggested something along these lines but he decided to quit everything at one go.
TheBrand
First Class Debutant
He hasn't ruled out 2023 World Cup if NZC need him, he said this in his press conference. But I imagine we won't need him.
Days of Grace
International Captain
I imagine he would be quite slow in the field by that stage. You can't usually stand at slip for an entire 50 over innings.