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Ricky Ponting VS M S Dhoni

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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
capt_Luffy said:
ODIs I find significantly tougher to do than Tests, but nevertheless:
  1. Viv Richards
  2. Sachin Tendulkar
  3. Virat Kohli
  4. A B de Villiers
  5. M S Dhoni
  6. Michael Bevan
  7. Zaheer Abbas
  8. Dean Jones
  9. Ricky Ponting
  10. Rohit Sharma
  11. Brian Lara
  12. Saeed Anwar
  13. Michael Hussey
  14. Babar Azam
  15. Sanath Jayasuriya
  16. Hashim Amla
  17. David Warner
  18. Ross Taylor
  19. Gordon Greenidge
  20. Aravinda de Silva
  21. Adam Gilchrist
  22. Kumar Sangakkara
  23. Mark Waugh
  24. Sourav Ganguly
  25. Greg Chappell
  26. Jos Buttler
  27. Andrew Symonds
  28. Martin Crowe
  29. Lance Klusener
  30. Javed Miandad
  31. Clive Lloyd
  32. Yuvraj Singh
  33. Tilakratna Dilshan
  34. Matthew Hayden
  35. Kane Williamson
  36. Chris Gayle
  37. Quinton de Kock
  38. Faf du Plessis
  39. Desmond Haynes
  40. Mahela Jayawardene
  41. Glenn Turner
  42. Inzamam-ul-Haq
  43. Shane Watson
  44. Jonny Bairstow
  45. Shikhar Dhawan
  46. Damien Martyn
  47. Joe Root
  48. David Miller
  49. Mohammad Azharuddin
  50. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
  51. Herschelle Gibbs
  52. Travis Head
  53. Glenn Maxwell
  54. Kevin Pietersen
  55. Arjuna Ranatunga
  56. Jacques Kallis
  57. Shai Hope
  58. Allan Lamb
  59. Angelo Mathews
  60. Nathan Astle
  61. Heinrich Klaasen
  62. Salim Mallik
  63. Hancie Cronje
  64. Martin Guptill
  65. Steve Smith
  66. Aaron Finch
  67. Eoin Morgan
  68. Andy Flower
  69. Ramnaresh Sarwan
  70. Gary Kirsten
  71. Virendra Sehwag
  72. Marcus Trescothick
  73. Jason Roy
  74. Michael Clarke
  75. Roger Twose
  76. Carl Hooper
  77. Misbah-ul-Haq
  78. Ben Stokes
  79. Ryan ten Doescharte
  80. Graham Gooch
  81. Neil Fairbrother
  82. Darren Lehmann
  83. Rahul Dravid
  84. Mohammad Rizwan
  85. Darryl Mitchell
  86. Rassie van der Dussen
  87. Richie Richardson
  88. Dennis Amiss
  89. Graeme Hick
  90. Upul Tharanga
  91. Brendon McCullum
  92. Nick Knight
  93. Devon Conway
  94. Alec Stewart
  95. Mohammad Yousuf
  96. Jonathan Trott
  97. Neil Johnson
  98. Kapil Dev
  99. George Bailey
  100. Tamim Iqbal
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I thought you rated Kohli marginally above Sachin as an ODI bat
 
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Thala_0710

State 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
ODIs I find significantly tougher to do than Tests, but nevertheless:
  1. Viv Richards
  2. Sachin Tendulkar
  3. Virat Kohli
  4. A B de Villiers
  5. M S Dhoni
  6. Michael Bevan
  7. Zaheer Abbas
  8. Dean Jones
  9. Ricky Ponting
  10. Rohit Sharma
  11. Brian Lara
  12. Saeed Anwar
  13. Michael Hussey
  14. Babar Azam
  15. Sanath Jayasuriya
  16. Hashim Amla
  17. David Warner
  18. Ross Taylor
  19. Gordon Greenidge
  20. Aravinda de Silva
  21. Adam Gilchrist
  22. Kumar Sangakkara
  23. Mark Waugh
  24. Sourav Ganguly
  25. Greg Chappell
  26. Jos Buttler
  27. Andrew Symonds
  28. Martin Crowe
  29. Lance Klusener
  30. Javed Miandad
  31. Clive Lloyd
  32. Yuvraj Singh
  33. Tilakratna Dilshan
  34. Matthew Hayden
  35. Kane Williamson
  36. Chris Gayle
  37. Quinton de Kock
  38. Faf du Plessis
  39. Desmond Haynes
  40. Mahela Jayawardene
  41. Glenn Turner
  42. Inzamam-ul-Haq
  43. Shane Watson
  44. Jonny Bairstow
  45. Shikhar Dhawan
  46. Damien Martyn
  47. Joe Root
  48. David Miller
  49. Mohammad Azharuddin
  50. Shivnarine Chanderpaul
  51. Herschelle Gibbs
  52. Travis Head
  53. Glenn Maxwell
  54. Kevin Pietersen
  55. Arjuna Ranatunga
  56. Jacques Kallis
  57. Shai Hope
  58. Allan Lamb
  59. Angelo Mathews
  60. Nathan Astle
  61. Heinrich Klaasen
  62. Salim Mallik
  63. Hancie Cronje
  64. Martin Guptill
  65. Steve Smith
  66. Aaron Finch
  67. Eoin Morgan
  68. Andy Flower
  69. Ramnaresh Sarwan
  70. Gary Kirsten
  71. Virendra Sehwag
  72. Marcus Trescothick
  73. Jason Roy
  74. Michael Clarke
  75. Roger Twose
  76. Carl Hooper
  77. Misbah-ul-Haq
  78. Ben Stokes
  79. Ryan ten Doescharte
  80. Graham Gooch
  81. Neil Fairbrother
  82. Darren Lehmann
  83. Rahul Dravid
  84. Mohammad Rizwan
  85. Darryl Mitchell
  86. Rassie van der Dussen
  87. Richie Richardson
  88. Dennis Amiss
  89. Graeme Hick
  90. Upul Tharanga
  91. Brendon McCullum
  92. Nick Knight
  93. Devon Conway
  94. Alec Stewart
  95. Mohammad Yousuf
  96. Jonathan Trott
  97. Neil Johnson
  98. Kapil Dev
  99. George Bailey
  100. Tamim Iqbal
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Richards at the top seems the consensus on CW
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Thala_0710 said:
Richards at the top seems the consensus on CW
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Imo it should really be consensus. He scored at 47 average and 90 SR. For context, SRT did at 45 and 86; starting 20 years later...... With reference to era, Viv's stats are bonkers. Only Abbas was close, but sadly didn't played enough.
 
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Thala_0710

State 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
Imo it should really be consensus. He scored at 47 average and 90 SR. For context, SRT did at 45 and 86; starting 20 years later...... With reference to era, Viv's stats are bonkers. Only Abbas was close, but sadly didn't played enough.
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In terms of being ahead of his peers the answer is clearly Richards. But, and this is obviously just nitpicking, but ODIs were in their infancy then and not many had figured out the way to go in odi cricket. Richards figured it out fast and expressed himself fully and I give him credit for that but the gap wouldn't be that big in any subsequent era for almost anyone. Richards also had the luxury of playing in the greatest team of all time, which meant that Richards could do basically what he wanted.
Tendulkar from 1994 (when he started to open) till 2003 (before his tennis elbow) scored 11006 runs @ 48.5 and 90+ SR including 36 100s (Richards had 11). Obviously this was in a later and easier era but one point is Sachin had the role of both anchor and aggressor for India for almost the entirety of that time. They simply couldn't afford him to get out and he had very little support, which matters less in comparing test performances but more in ODIs imo.
Richards dominated more and was further ahead of his peers than Sachin was, but I edge it to Sachin because I think he had more impact and for a much longer time. No issues in having Richards ahead though, I have him at 2.
 
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Thala_0710

State 12th Man
Thala_0710 said:
In terms of being ahead of his peers the answer is clearly Richards. But, and this is obviously just nitpicking, but ODIs were in their infancy then and not many had figured out the way to go in odi cricket. Richards figured it out fast and expressed himself fully and I give him credit for that but the gap wouldn't be that big in any subsequent era for almost anyone. Richards also had the luxury of playing in the greatest team of all time, which meant that Richards could do basically what he wanted.
Tendulkar from 1994 (when he started to open) till 2003 (before his tennis elbow) scored 11006 runs @ 48.5 and 90+ SR including 36 100s (Richards had 11). Obviously this was in a later and easier era but one point is Sachin had the role of both anchor and aggressor for India for almost the entirety of that time. They simply couldn't afford him to get out and he had very little support, which matters less in comparing test performances but more in ODIs imo.
Richards dominated more and was further ahead of his peers than Sachin was, but I edge it to Sachin because I think he had more impact and for a much longer time. No issues in having Richards ahead though, I have him at 2.
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This probably sounds a bit biased, but yeah, I would have Sachin over him
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
Thala_0710 said:
In terms of being ahead of his peers the answer is clearly Richards. But, and this is obviously just nitpicking, but ODIs were in their infancy then and not many had figured out the way to go in odi cricket. Richards figured it out fast and expressed himself fully and I give him credit for that but the gap wouldn't be that big in any subsequent era for almost anyone. Richards also had the luxury of playing in the greatest team of all time, which meant that Richards could do basically what he wanted.
Tendulkar from 1994 (when he started to open) till 2003 (before his tennis elbow) scored 11006 runs @ 48.5 and 90+ SR including 36 100s (Richards had 11). Obviously this was in a later and easier era but one point is Sachin had the role of both anchor and aggressor for India for almost the entirety of that time. They simply couldn't afford him to get out and he had very little support, which matters less in comparing test performances but more in ODIs imo.
Richards dominated more and was further ahead of his peers than Sachin was, but I edge it to Sachin because I think he had more impact and for a much longer time. No issues in having Richards ahead though, I have him at 2.
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More centuries is definitely a strong suit, as is the longevity and sheer volume of runs. But even during that 7 years peak of Tendulkar, he only matched Viv's career stats, in an easier era. And I also won't say he didn't had any support over that time, Ganguly was genuinely one of the leading ODI batsmen in the late 90s/early 2000s; their opening partnership is the best ever in ODIs. There was also Azhar in the middle order, was a really good ODI bat, and while no one will call Dravid and Jadeja world beaters, they weren't half bad either. And from early 2000s onwards there was Yuvi and Sehwag; and India's batting turned genuinely great.
 
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Thala_0710

State 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
More centuries is definitely a strong suit, as is the longevity and sheer volume of runs. But even during that 7 years peak of Tendulkar, he only matched Viv's career stats, in an easier era. And I also won't say he didn't had any support over that time, Ganguly was genuinely one of the leading ODI batsmen in the late 90s/early 2000s; their opening partnership is the best ever in ODIs. There was also Azhar in the middle order, was a really good ODI bat, and while no one will call Dravid and Jadeja world beaters, they weren't half bad either. And from early 2000s onwards there was Yuvi and Sehwag; and India's batting turned genuinely great.
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What I would say is that before Yuvi and Sehwag really found their feet, it was mainly Sachin who was keeping the SR kick above par whilst also making the big runs. Dravid and Ganguly were a bit slow even for that era and even accouning for that, the batting was largely dependent on Sachin (much more than Richards), especially in the big games. Also it is a 10yr peak with 11k+ runs so, I give it a high weightage.
But yeah, Richards is a very well deserved no 1 too for anyone
 
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Thala_0710

State 12th Man
capt_Luffy said:
Genuinely great record. I would say though, SRT failing in both the WC Finals is a valid criticism.
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Yeah it is, probably the only criticism (apart from maybe the post 2011 wc period) in his entire career. But I won't put him down for 2 games, although Richards obviously had that great innings of 138* in the 1979 wc final which is a plus point for him
 
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