Ricky Ponting vs Kumar Sangakkara

[honestbharani]

What @Xuhaib said.

 

[Migara]

They are generally dry and are hence called flat for pacers, and good for Murali once the pitch wears down.

That isn't an accurate summation either because some SL stadiums did aid pace. But you're both being a little disingenuous.

Dry pirches are flat. Some aid pace. So pitches are flat. And it helps spinners when it wears off, so they are dust bowls.

OK. I accurately get the picture now.

 

[Slifer]

What I'd like to know is this. Both india and sri lanka are generally spin friendly countries . Why is Murali's record so much better in SL than in India? Ditto Warne. Both did well in spin conditions of SL but failed in India. Do wickets in India spin differently?? Obviously, the strength of the India's line up made a difference but Murali succeeded at home vs them.

 

[shortpitched713]

What I'd like to know is this. Both india and sri lanka are generally spin friendly countries . Why is Murali's record so much better in SL than in India? Ditto Warne. Both did well in spin conditions of SL but failed in India. Do wickets in India spin differently?? Obviously, the strength of the India's line up made a difference but Murali succeeded at home vs them.

There was an article on this, I can't remember if on cricinfo or where. Basically it stated the Indian pitches were curated to allow spin, but more from central areas of the pitch where the Indian spinners would attack, and turn less from wider area of the pitch where the big spinners Warne and Murali tended to focus their attacks. Don't know how reliable that is, but I can't be bothered to look it up right now.

 

[Coronis]

They are generally dry and are hence called flat for pacers, and good for Murali once the pitch wears down.

That isn't an accurate summation either because some SL stadiums did aid pace. But you're both being a little disingenuous.

I was half joking here but yeah the post I responded to literally just said SL was the most batting friendly place so yeah a bloke playing ~50 matches over that time frame and taking ~350 wickets at 18 seems a bit outta context there.

 

[Victor Ian]

Ponting is slightly better imo but I’m surprised how easily he’s romping home here

That's because Ponting is clearly slightly better.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I was half joking here but yeah the post I responded to literally just said SL was the most batting friendly place so yeah a bloke playing ~50 matches over that time frame and taking ~350 wickets at 18 seems a bit outta context there.

SL pitches varied plenty during that time, there was roads, dustbowls and everything in between. One thing they almost always had in common, and still do, is they heavily favour spin.

 

[CricAddict]

There was an article on this, I can't remember if on cricinfo or where. Basically it stated the Indian pitches were curated to allow spin, but more from central areas of the pitch where the Indian spinners would attack, and turn less from wider area of the pitch where the big spinners Warne and Murali tended to focus their attacks. Don't know how reliable that is, but I can't be bothered to look it up right now.

Yes on cricinfo. I remember reading it too.

 

[Himannv]

Lot of posters put Sangakkara above Ponting in this thread: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/threads/rank-the-10-000-club.83334/

That's old news. Welcome to the new CW that is not blind to seeing what a fraud this guy is.

 

[subshakerz]

I actually think Sanga is underrated somewhat because he lacked the press of the other teams and didnt get to feature in marquee series that would have bolstered his reputation compared to Dravid and then Kohli who were much more hyped. Unlike Kallis whose reputation grew after his retirement, Sanga still gets ignored for some reason.

 

[Himannv]

I actually think Sanga is underrated somewhat

That's nonsense. You had people on here wearing t-shirts with his face on the front and his arse on the back and people singing his praises as if he's the next Bradman and not the complete fraud that he actually is. Thankfully I came along and saved CW from this insanity and horse-and-buggy mindset and they now see things without their rose-tinted glasses.

 

[Victor Ian]

That's nonsense. You had people on here wearing t-shirts with his face on the front and his arse on the back and people singing his praises as if he's the next Bradman and not the complete fraud that he actually is. Thankfully I came along and saved CW from this insanity and horse-and-buggy mindset and they now see things without their rose-tinted glasses.

atg expression.

 

[subshakerz]

That's nonsense. You had people on here wearing t-shirts with his face on the front and his arse on the back and people singing his praises as if he's the next Bradman and not the complete fraud that he actually is. Thankfully I came along and saved CW from this insanity and horse-and-buggy mindset and they now see things without their rose-tinted glasses.

Tell us how you really feel about him, though.

 

[DDP]

I'm clearly missing something here....did Sanga sleep with your partner @Himannv ?

Anyway, I rate Sanga and also Kallis higher than Ponting.

The argument that Sanga played too much against minnows can be negated by his better average, which btw is dragged down a notch by his early sizeable career as a Keeper. Also, Sanga clearly played in a worse side over their careers, heaping far more pressure and focus on him in every game. For example if he was carrying any niggles he'd still be expected to play and perform, whereas the bench strength of that Aus team was scary, Punter could relax a lot more.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm clearly missing something here....did Sanga sleep with your partner @Himannv ?

Anyway, I rate Sanga and also Kallis higher than Ponting.

The argument that Sanga played too much against minnows can be negated by his better average, which btw is dragged down a notch by his early sizeable career as a Keeper. Also, Sanga clearly played in a worse side over their careers, heaping far more pressure and focus on him in every game. For example if he was carrying any niggles he'd still be expected to play and perform, whereas the bench strength of that Aus team was scary, Punter could relax a lot more.

He still played in a pretty decent batting unit. Anyhow, I don't see this why he should get special points for this.

 

[Kirkut]

Pointing.
He's in an in-between tier below Lara, Sachin but above Kallis, Sanga, and David below them I have Younis.

Nah, he's on par with Lara and Sachin.

His peak form was closest thing to Viv Richards.

 

[subshakerz]

Nah, he's on par with Lara and Sachin.

He threatened to be but an extended dip towards the end meant his rating is below.

 

[Shady Slim]

They are generally dry and are hence called flat for pacers, and good for Murali once the pitch wears down.

That isn't an accurate summation either because some SL stadiums did aid pace. But you're both being a little disingenuous.

yeah but the reason SL wickets first came up in this thread was to call them flat in the batting paradise therefore sanga average inflated sense which means migs is entirely right to clown on those who did

 

[Kirkut]

He threatened to be but an extended dip towards the end meant his rating is below.

Personally to me he was the cricketer I feared the most, more than Gilchrist or Ambrose.

I've watched many tense Indo Pak games but never felt more tense than watching Ponting being in command and creaming fours with cover drives and pull shots, you knew it that he's going for the win.

 

[subshakerz]

Personally to me he was the cricketer I feared the most, more than Gilchrist or Ambrose.

I've watched many tense Indo Pak games but never felt more tense than watching Ponting being in command and creaming fours with cover drives and pull shots, you knew it that he's going for the win.

In his prime, he was the most dominant batsman who looked in complete control.