Rich's Idea

[Rich2001]

Looking at Marcs idea I was seeing the even up of sides etc and thought that my an idea I just thought of could be an easier soloutions, rather than a massive change.

But what about an idea like in football were the bigger teams join in a deal with the smaller sides to promote talent.

Why not do that in WCC take the 15 best sides and pair them up with the 15 weaker sides so for example.

SA - Mash
NSW - Free State
Mumbai - ND

Then at the end of the trading in say the last or so, all the players that the stronger sides will be releasing are offered to their pairing free of charge etc, So basically the weak side just has to send one of their rejects over in exchange... the strong sides will be having to release at least one of their first team so the weaker sides are certain of a quality player, plus I know Kent will be releasing high caliber players this season so you could get upto 6 decent players.

That way the stronger sides aren't missing out as they would release them anyway and the weaker sides not only get the decent players they still have the trade and draft to get more talented players, as after the draft there is another transfer window so the players that they get from the better clubs could be used as a tatical tools.

 

[Blewy]

It sounds very interesting Rich...

I like the sounds of it, the only question i have is would the buddy system be changed every season?? i mean for eg 1 season SA are in the top 15 then the next season they drop out of it would the buddies be changed every season???

Other than that it sounds interesting and could work....

 

[Sriram k]

1 question could be how do you define a 1st team player?
I mean some 1 who has played how many 4 day/1 day matches in the season??Besides there are specialist 1day/4 day players in all teams.I suggest the lower team choose any player/players that the bigger team are leaving in the draft ....

Pairing could be a problem cause if its just division wise then we land up with an interesting situation...
colts being in div 4 would land up in the bottom 15 and could be paired with Mumbai 4 'youth development'...Seeing their current squad strength the Mumbai player mite have to find a place elsewhere then with Colts finding him too poor!!...

Besides tht it sounds like a very good idea to me...!
With just a bit of tweaking and this could definitely be implementable! Good work Rich!

And Mumbai would be eager to work with ND considering their star Darden came from NDs pick its the least they could return back.


Sriram

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I like the sound of it, but it could use a little bit of tweaking.

 

[Rich2001]

1 question could be how do you define a 1st team player?
I mean some 1 who has played how many 4 day/1 day matches in the season??Besides there are specialist 1day/4 day players in all teams.I suggest the lower team choose any player/players that the bigger team are leaving in the draft ....

All I ment was a team can only keep 10 players and you need 11 for a cricket team, therefore a first teamer must be leaving the stronger side.

That was what I ment, when the stronger team knows who it would be leaving out of the final 10, they could pass the list of the 6 players who will be leaving onto their buddy club. I wasn't by any means saying a buddy could just select anyone.

Pairing could be a problem cause if its just division wise then we land up with an interesting situation...
colts being in div 4 would land up in the bottom 15 and could be paired with Mumbai 4 'youth development'...Seeing their current squad strength the Mumbai player mite have to find a place elsewhere then with Colts finding him too poor!!...

Yeah this would probley happen, but I think that teams like Colts know they have a strong team anyway and have very tradable players so probley wouldn't need the help so much, and just because a player might not fit into their side they could still take the decent players so they could trade them on in the next transfer window.

Originally posted by Blewy

It sounds very interesting Rich...

I like the sounds of it, the only question i have is would the buddy system be changed every season?? i mean for eg 1 season SA are in the top 15 then the next season they drop out of it would the buddies be changed every season???

Other than that it sounds interesting and could work....

Yeah well Rich hadn't thought that far ahead but if it's a go'er then you can decide if it's a club for life or changes each season, might be better as you say to keep stronger clubs with the weaker ones, also get more of a varity.. some clubs release alot of one type of player etc

 

[Rich2001]

The only problem I can forsee is that as a result of these players being picked up early, they wont be (and a lower standard) of players will make up the draft, so I think it will need either a few more non used teams players added or a handfull of Rookies added

 

[Cloete]

well what about me? i'm in div 2 but am prolly just outside the top 15. so what would u do? i think it'd be fairer on me to be receieving players from the colts or WP rather than giving.

 

[Rich2001]

well what about me? i'm in div 2 but am prolly just outside the top 15. so what would u do? i think it'd be fairer on me to be receieving players from the colts or WP rather than giving.

At the moment it's more a case of if people like the idea rather than trying to see who they should be paired with.

If the idea is to go ahead then we can get the brainy people onto working out how and who should buddy who.

 

[Cloete]

At the moment it's more a case of if people like the idea rather than trying to see who they should be paired with.

If the idea is to go ahead then we can get the brainy people onto working out how and who should buddy who.

well we'll see how brainy they are when they decide TN's feat

 

[marc71178]

No offense Rich, but it doesn't really work for me - the idea of a feeder club only works in football because they aren't then competing against each other in the same season!

As I see it, this could be very bad for the big clubs and good for the small clubs, but the one's in the middle don't seem to get anything from it.

I am however open to be convinced about it and won't just dismiss it.

 

[Neil Pickup]

If it's bad for the big clubs and good for the smaller clubs then it ought to even itself out over time and then succeed in its purpose of equalising the game.

Thinking ahead, as an idea of pairing sides, the teams get points from 1 to 30 based on their finishing positions (1st in D1 = 1, 6th in D5 = 30) - so winning the double gets you 2pts and Bangladeshing both forms would get you 60pts.

The teams are then ranked 1 to 30 and 1st is paired with 30th, 2nd with 29th etc.

 

[Rich2001]

If it's bad for the big clubs and good for the smaller clubs then it ought to even itself out over time and then succeed in its purpose of equalising the game.

Thinking ahead, as an idea of pairing sides, the teams get points from 1 to 30 based on their finishing positions (1st in D1 = 1, 6th in D5 = 30) - so winning the double gets you 2pts and Bangladeshing both forms would get you 60pts.

The teams are then ranked 1 to 30 and 1st is paired with 30th, 2nd with 29th etc.

See Cloete I told you that one of them would work an idea out for you

Originally posted by Marc71181
No offense Rich, but it doesn't really work for me - the idea of a feeder club only works in football because they aren't then competing against each other in the same season!

As I see it, this could be very bad for the big clubs and good for the small clubs, but the one's in the middle don't seem to get anything from it.

Firstly how many Division 1 sides do you see playing Division 5 sides week in week out?

As Neil says then it's perfect at evening the teams out as the weaker sides become stronger, then will then become the stronger sides and will be giving players out rather than getting them in.

 

[The Argonaut]

I agree with Marc in that it doesn't do much for the middle sides. You'd hate to be 12th through to 15th. There's no winners there. If we can find a way around that then it looks like a good way of evening up sides.

Neil's method for doing the order is fine.

 

[Rich2001]

I agree with Marc in that it doesn't do much for the middle sides. You'd hate to be 12th through to 15th. There's no winners there. If we can find a way around that then it looks like a good way of evening up sides.

Neil's method for doing the order is fine.

But surely the middle sides aren't so bad off that they would need a massive amount of help, but like I said before the players might not fit into your side but would be good enough to use in a trade to get a player you do need and would make your side, and you got that player basically for nothing anyway.

 

[age_master]

yeah the ideaq is fine by me, though i have in the past offered my players for free anyway and was again intending to do so this season.

thumbs up from me

 

[Rich2001]

yeah the ideaq is fine by me, though i have in the past offered my players for free anyway and was again intending to do so this season.

thumbs up from me

Same as myself, which is why I came up with the idea of making it offically etc

And to my above comment remember that easch season you would get a different club anyway.. So you might be in the middle one season and the next you could be buddied up with a much stronger side.

And this idea isn't ment to be the sole evening up item, you still have the trades and draft to help it, just giving the weaker sides a little extra help.

 

[The Argonaut]

With this system 15th would give 16th a option to take some of their 6 dropped players. There is not a lot of difference in the quality of players dropped by both sides yet 15th gets nothing and 16th may get one good player that they will keep.

Do we just write this off as the luck of the draw.

I like the idea because it will help out the 5th and 4th division sides but think for the guys in 3rd division it's a bit messy.

 

[Rich2001]

With this system 15th would give 16th a option to take some of their 6 dropped players. There is not a lot of difference in the quality of players dropped by both sides yet 15th gets nothing and 16th may get one good player that they will keep.

Do we just write this off as the luck of the draw.

I like the idea because it will help out the 5th and 4th division sides but think for the guys in 3rd division it's a bit messy.

Well ok what about just drawing lots for the teams? - That way a D3 side could get Mumbia they could get TN or someone... And D4/5 will be happy with anyone - Remember some of D3/4 sides like Colts / WP could be classed as a strong side - just depends on if you go just on a split right down the middle or if you pick the best sides on paper etc

Or you could take the 90 players released from the strong 15 sides and randomly place 6 at each of the weaker sides, or maybe take the 90 and give the 15 weaker sides 4 or 5 and split theremaining ones up between say 10 and 14 so as you say the middle clubs don't lose out (or they might just get their players back ) and then basically the clubs then decide if they wish to keep any in replacment for their current side.

 

[age_master]

this would also have to cancel marcs idea as i would not trade any players that i would have to keep from a weak team

 

[The Argonaut]

Sorry Rich I like those 2 ideas much less.

How about doing the original idea for the top 12 and the bottom 12 and leave the middle 6 teams out of it.