Resumption of Pakistan India cricket

[Bouncer]

I said Ganguly is a good CAPTAIN, never said that he's a great Test BATSMAN.Ganguly is a good OD player but Test cricket is a different ball game.However India do have


Do a player to player comparison of both side and you will easily see as to who exactly is better, i think most people will agree withme that right now Indian team is stronger than the Pakistani team!

I have only met Indian People in last 3 years..and what my observation is that they only try to remember their victories. like Beating pakistan every 4 YRS.....losing to any stronger side...and beating Bangladesh/Zimb ar any weaker side...and feeling on top of the world.The pakistani players and the cricket followers in general in pakistan dont ever get satisfied with team's effort.. after any tournament won by Pakisatn u dont relay have great appreciation from crowd..its like just another win...coz we know we are suppose to win just because we r good.
This to me is the main difference in the attitude of cricket folloers in both countries and what saperates Pakistan from India.

Tendulkar,Dravid,Laxman,Yuvraj,Kaif and others who can easily take on Pak attack and teach them a lesson, like they did in the World cup match.

here exactly my point is proven again.....Tendulker did what Pakistani have feared for about 13 years.....1 game in 13 YRS..and u have billion people jumping in the air....that is so INDIAN.....hahahah

Pak on the other hand has been losing to almost every major team on its own soil for lat 3-4 years!!!!

One of the very simple reasons is the diffference of Umpiring...Pakistani players dont get undue advantages like indian players do when they play in idia.

 

[Bouncer]

this is fun!!! but i am relay surprised that its not getting as much responce from othet people as i expected at this forum.:rolleyes:

 

[Bouncer]

I don't really wanna talk about politics over here, but its absurd to think that India's peace initiatives (resumption of cricket ties being part of it) was only because the Govt thought that Indian team has a chance to beat Pak in Pak.
Cricket is a minor issue, there are other serious issues that need to e resolved.Indian Govt did Pak a favor by resuming cricket ties as Pak would benefit financially by such a tour!

i was aking u to give an example for this part ur thread when u said "
however i don't think the timing of resumption of cricket ties has anything to do with India being a much better team than Pak"

I am waiting dude.......do give me some example...may be u cant think of one right now coz tendulker scored a hundred a few days ago and thats where it ends for u poeple, thats as far as u can think in cricket.

 

[luckyeddie]

this is fun!!! but i am relay surprised that its not getting as much responce from othet people as i expected at this forum.:rolleyes:

That's because other people recognise flame bait - and do not wish to toast their collective marshmallows. This thread is being watched - closely.

 

[Bouncer]

That's because other people recognise flame bait - and do not wish to toast their collective marshmallows. This thread is being watched - closely.

Hahahha i understand....But come join in, the only purpose i started this was that i wanted to get everybody's opinion on it. i mean if i just keep on answering this dude's post i would get ur opinion on it..which is more important to me(as a true cricket follower)

 

[royGilchrist]

Yeah right!!!! hahaa the setteled team that could not even beat NZ on home ground with indian umpires....

I think the umpires were neutral.

This bouncer guy reminds me of someone from the sports.com, dont quite remember his name but the psorts.com guys here would know what I am talking about. (perfect_Mo?). This discussion is getting really childish and immature. In the past I have seen lesser offensive threads closed

Anil, fair enough, but I will say one last thing, if I were in Indian administration I would have preferred playing in Pakistan all these years. Look at it this way, Pakistan's home record has been appalling, they even lost to Zimbabwe, I think because of pressure, and with India if India lost that would have been the expected outcome and fans would be sombre both sides of the border, but if Pak lost nothing could be better for Indian nation's morale than a cricket victory in Pakistan. And on the other hand the entire Pak team might have been sacked (remember the series in late seventies in India). Just a thought...

 

[Anil]

I think the umpires were neutral.

This bouncer guy reminds me of someone from the sports.com, dont quite remember his name but the psorts.com guys here would know what I am talking about. (perfect_Mo?). This discussion is getting really childish and immature. In the past I have seen lesser offensive threads closed

You are right...and his posts were clear flame-bait which is why I didn't respond to him....

Anil, fair enough, but I will say one last thing, if I were in Indian administration I would have preferred playing in Pakistan all these years. Look at it this way, Pakistan's home record has been appalling, they even lost to Zimbabwe, I think because of pressure, and with India if India lost that would have been the expected outcome and fans would be sombre both sides of the border, but if Pak lost nothing could be better for Indian nation's morale than a cricket victory in Pakistan. And on the other hand the entire Pak team might have been sacked (remember the series in late seventies in India). Just a thought...

This again contains highly argumentative statements.....the kind of arguments that would reach nowhere as neither side will budge from their stand.......I will just say this.....politics and economics has had a big part to play in such decisions......on either side.....whether the decision was right or wrong....early or late.....is arguable at best.....we can go on bickering about it till the end of time....or just switch to talking about resuming the most exciting rivalry in cricket...from the point of view of the cricket which will be played...? What do you say, Roy?

 

[marc71178]

Pak in contrast is still in rebuilding stage and without some former stars they appear to be weak.

So weak that they just beat SA in a series, and never seriously looked liked losing either match?

 

[marc71178]

Ganguly is a good OD player but Test cricket is a different ball game.

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However India do have Tendulkar,Dravid,Laxman,Yuvraj,Kaif and others who can easily take on Pak attack and teach them a lesson, like they did in the World cup match.

But the World Cup Match was a different ball game?!

 

[marc71178]

This discussion is getting really childish and immature. In the past I have seen lesser offensive threads closed

Fortunately Roy we have a better quality of poster here, and I believe both side's supporters amongst the regular posters will show a great deal of respect to the other side, as it should be.

 

[royGilchrist]

yeah I agree Anil, in politics, politicians have been dirty on both sides. But as far as cricket and the most exciting rivalry in cricket is concerned, PCB is not to be blamed, BCCI is not to be blamed, Pakistani politicians are not to be blamed, but the Indian politicians and goverment need to be blamed. If it wasnt for them this most exciting competition and rivalry will be alive and kicking. And will be clean of any politics.

I still remember with fondness the last time India came to Pak, I think it was tendulkar's first series, and in one game he got hit by a ball on his face by Waqar, was bleeding. But stayed in the game, and then that late afternoon went on to hit Waqar all over the ground. Everyone including Waqar, watching that onslaught, knew they were witnessing the start of something special.

 

[royGilchrist]

And Anil my suggestion earlier was not to inflame anyone. I was trying to say that the Indian administrators should ahve taken that calculated risk.

 

[luckyeddie]

And Anil my suggestion earlier was not to inflame anyone. I was trying to say that the Indian administrators should ahve taken that calculated risk.

We know, Roy. Your opinions are sought and valued.

 

[vandemataram]

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But the World Cup Match was a different ball game?!

True, but Tendukar and Dravid have played Test matches against Pakistan and their record isn't bad.Tendulkar infact didn't even spared the likes of Akram and Waqar in test cricket.

I sincerely believe that the decision of Indan govt to resume cricket ties with Pak has nothing to do with the fact that Pak team is weak at the moment, many of my friends share this belief.

I just hope that this Indo_Pak series will be clean yet hotly contested series without any untoward incedent!

 

[royGilchrist]

cheers Eddie, thanks for the reassurance

Yeah Marc, I think we have a good thing going here, sometimes I feel it gets a bit restrictive here, but its for the better in the end.

 

[Anil]

yeah I agree Anil, in politics, politicians have been dirty on both sides. But as far as cricket and the most exciting rivalry in cricket is concerned, PCB is not to be blamed, BCCI is not to be blamed, Pakistani politicians are not to be blamed, but the Indian politicians and goverment need to be blamed. If it wasnt for them this most exciting competition and rivalry will be alive and kicking. And will be clean of any politics.

There is an important factor here other than politicians and cricket boards which you missed mentioning, Roy. M_B made a mention of it at the beginning of this thread...and that's as far as I will go. You will probably disagree, but to me, that's the single biggest factor that has proved a stumbling block to the resumption of Indo-Pak cricket. I didn't want to drag that into the discussion, but each time I asked you to drop this issue, you kept pushing this topic, and it cannot be discussed without mentioning that.

I still remember with fondness the last time India came to Pak, I think it was tendulkar's first series, and in one game he got hit by a ball on his face by Waqar, was bleeding. But stayed in the game, and then that late afternoon went on to hit Waqar all over the ground. Everyone including Waqar, watching that onslaught, knew they were witnessing the start of something special.

Yes, I watched that short but significant innings....and whatever doubts I had about introducing him too early into international cricket were put to rest that day....I was convinced he was here to stay.

 

[Anil]

And Anil my suggestion earlier was not to inflame anyone. I was trying to say that the Indian administrators should ahve taken that calculated risk.

Sure, neither was mine...but taking a dig at something like this...with all the undercurrents and the fragility of the situation...I felt it could easily go out-of-hand.....that's why I was trying to push the topic towards the cricket bypassing the politics and the other extraneous stuff...we can still do it....

 

[luckyeddie]

good for you, guys. Let cricket transcend politics for once - and it just might continue to do so.

 

[royGilchrist]

Sure, neither was mine...but taking a dig at something like this...with all the undercurrents and the fragility of the situation...I felt it could easily go out-of-hand.....

this is quite perplexing Anil. I dont think you read my post carefully. India playing in Pak could have been the best decision taken by an Indian administrator.

 

[Anil]

this is quite perplexing Anil. I dont think you read my post carefully. India playing in Pak could have been the best decision taken by an Indian administrator.

Roy, It's not so perplexing if you read the first part of my reply....

In it, I am pointing out(of course that's my opinion) that there are reasons(more important ones) other than dirty politics involved in the decision....those reasons still exist...which is why I have my reservations about such a tour....hope I am proved wrong....in any case, why should it have been a good decision from the Indian administrator's point of view.....? Honestly, at that point, from an administrative and economic standpoint(please understand, not from a cricketing point of view), Pakistan needed that tour much, much more than India.....in fact even now, that's true.....

Regarding undercurrents and the fragility of the situation...do you understand what I mean.....see how that issue is creeping in....you aren't mentioning it in your posts.....but avoiding it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist as the core issue and needs to be addressed.....unfortunately a cricket forum isn't the appropriate place for it....which is why I am still trying to pull this discussion to cricket....please understand that if you still want to push the same issue and don't want to talk cricket....IMO, this thread is out-of-place in this forum....and this is my last post on the topic(and please don't tell me you don't understand what I mean since I am not explicit enough......)......