Respect for disciplined medium pace - PK and Copeland

[centurymaker]

I BLAME DHONI for not standing up to the stumps!!!

 

[Xuhaib]

yeah Vaas was quite sharpish in his hey days.

 

[Jono]

I BLAME DHONI for not standing up to the stumps!!!

Why would you keep up to the stumps for a swing bowler?

 

[centurymaker]

Why would you keep up to the stumps for a swing bowler?

to prevent batsmen taking the bowled and the LBW out of the game by moving down the pitch constantly.
moving down the pitch/batting well outside the crease even negates the swing...
the edges are less likely to carry etc..
basically you can counter so many things by moving down to a medium pacer like him.

dhoni's fault.

 

[Manee]

to prevent batsmen taking the bowled and the LBW out of the game by moving down the pitch constantly.
moving down the pitch/batting well outside the crease even negates the swing...
the edges are less likely to carry etc..
basically you can counter so many things by moving down to a medium pacer like him.

dhoni's fault.

Moving down the pitch certainly does not take bowled out of the equation.

 

[centurymaker]

Moving down the pitch certainly does not take bowled out of the equation.

legs get in the way.

 

[Flem274*]

Centurymaker, you do not have 29 infractions points. Stop lying.

 

[centurymaker]

Centurymaker, you do not have 29 infractions points. Stop lying.

oh yea 10 expired yesterday.

 

[Manee]

legs get in the way.

Batsmen hardly move down the pitch in order to block the stumps, a good inswinger can always take out a batsman.

 

[centurymaker]

Batsmen hardly move down the pitch in order to block the stumps, a good inswinger can always take out a batsman.

ok but doing it makes it less likely.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

Batsmen hardly move down the pitch in order to block the stumps, a good inswinger can always take out a batsman.

Centurymaker has a point, Manee. When a guy like Pieterson moves down the track, he also comes across enough to block his stumps. Knowing well that it's very unlikely that he'd be given LBW.

And to bowl such a batsman, a delivery has to start a fair way outside off and really dart back in. One which slightly nips back will still hit him on the pads and he'd, in all probability, get away with it. Also, the fact that he's forward would mean that the pace bowler wouldn't have so much distance through the air to get it to swing.

 

[Himannv]

Its not that easy to keep up to the stumps. Takes a fair amount of skill and edges may go down as missed chances. Might be best to do that if the bowler moves the ball into the batsmen more often than not.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

My understanding on a keeper standing up to a medium pacer is as under:

With the new red ball, it shouldn't be done. There is quite some zip off the pronounced seam (more so the case with these Duke English balls) and it'd be awfully difficult for the keeper. Keeping to a delivery which swings out of the hand is not too demanding, but a new ball in the hands of a worthy operator should also jag around off the deck and collecting those cleanly is quite difficult.
Additionally, most batsmen wouldn't be comfortable walking down the track to the red cherry. The reason is that should one seam away, that'll give them less reaction time and an edge to the cordon becomes a greater probability.


With the older ball - key factors being the softness of the leather and a somewhat 'died down' seam - a keeper could stand up, depending on who the batsman is. In recent tests, KP has countered Praveen and Sangakkara has looked to negate Copeland by standing outside their crease and both batsmen are very strong off their legs. To such batsmen, a keeper standing up would force them to change their game. Mind you, the guy with the gloves has to be very good and the bowler would be gutted if he spills an edge standing up.


Needless to say, the strip's general carry and the bounce that the bowler generates are key factors in such a decision.

 

[Arjun]

I'd still stand by what I've said in the past- an accurate, steady bowler is at his best when there's an attacking bowler partnering him. They go hand in hand.