Repercussions

[PhoenixFire]

Why do you think they are so much more naturally talented than other countries?

 

[BoyBrumby]

I don't think that it's necessarily to do with these Indian players, I think it's more to do with the Indian cricket culture in general. Having played against India underage teams a few times, they seem to play best when they are doing whatever they've done to get themselves there.

It's like Raina, for example, he actually plays better when he doesn't even know that he has a short ball problem, and just sees the ball and hits the ball. But the more that he is made aware of it, the more he thinks about other things and the worse off he ends up. It's something that is the same with all cricketers, but the Indians are so naturally talented that it is more apparent in them.

Because they are so talented, and this is no rubbish but in terms of natural talent, the Indian players are ahead of all other countries IMO, they need to be shown how to improve rather than be told, as such. As I said, I think it's more of a general cultural difference, rather than to do with the individual players themselves.

Interesting. Think there's something in that; Chappell seemed to go in with a "my way or the highway" didactic approach and, it's fair to say, it didn't work. Kirsten's softer approach definitely seemed to chime more with the Indian mentality.

One question, and obviously we're talking in general terms here, but, on the whole, do Indian players seem maybe "softer" than other countries in terms of conditioning and being less prepared to play through knocks?

 

[smash84]

Because they are so talented, and this is no rubbish but in terms of natural talent, the Indian players are ahead of all other countries IMO, they need to be shown how to improve rather than be told, as such. As I said, I think it's more of a general cultural difference, rather than to do with the individual players themselves.

Same question as Spark's. Why do you say this? I am assuming of course that we are talking only about batting here.

 

[smash84]

One question, and obviously we're talking in general terms here, but, on the whole, do Indian players seem maybe "softer" than other countries in terms of conditioning and being less prepared to play through knocks?

Make that SC players and I would probably say yeah

 

[Spark]

Wait what? I asked something?

 

[Jono]

India's millionaires club was tested properly for the first time in a while (in Tests) this summer and came up short.

I am not sure how much test cricket not involving England you watch, but India were most certainly tested in South Africa. In fact, they faced some of the best bowling I have ever seen from Steyn in that third test, and came out pretty well. They haven't beaten **** teams and finally lost to a good team. They've played well for many years, but have fallen short against a better team.

I really don't see how England fans bagging the **** out of the Indian team does their team any favours. In fact its only putting down the achievements of England in this series. Fair enough the 3rd and 4th tests have been piss poor from India, but they showed up at Lord's, but England were too good. And India were well on top at Trent Bridge and England showed guts and fought back. That should be talked about, not just insulting the Indian team as a millionaire's club who have beaten easy opposition. That's blatantly rubbish.

 

[Cevno]

I am not sure how much test cricket not involving England you watch, but India were most certainly tested in South Africa. In fact, they faced some of the best bowling I have ever seen from Steyn in that third test, and came out pretty well. They haven't beaten **** teams and finally lost to a good team. They've played well for many years, but have fallen short against a better team.

I really don't see how England fans bagging the **** out of the Indian team does their team any favours. In fact its only putting down the achievements of England in this series. Fair enough the 3rd and 4th tests have been piss poor from India, but they showed up at Lord's, but England were too good. And India were well on top at Trent Bridge and England showed guts and fought back. That should be talked about, not just insulting the Indian team as a millionaire's club who have beaten easy opposition. That's blatantly rubbish.

Yeah. This.

Yes it has been a bad/pathetic series, but it is still only 1 series.

 

[Cevno]

I don't think that it's necessarily to do with these Indian players, I think it's more to do with the Indian cricket culture in general. Having played against India underage teams a few times, they seem to play best when they are doing whatever they've done to get themselves there.

It's like Raina, for example, he actually plays better when he doesn't even know that he has a short ball problem, and just sees the ball and hits the ball. But the more that he is made aware of it, the more he thinks about other things and the worse off he ends up. It's something that is the same with all cricketers, but the Indians are so naturally talented that it is more apparent in them.

Because they are so talented, and this is no rubbish but in terms of natural talent, the Indian players are ahead of all other countries IMO, they need to be shown how to improve rather than be told, as such. As I said, I think it's more of a general cultural difference, rather than to do with the individual players themselves.

Good post.

Agree with most parts.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I am not sure how much test cricket not involving England you watch, but India were most certainly tested in South Africa. In fact, they faced some of the best bowling I have ever seen from Steyn in that third test, and came out pretty well. They haven't beaten **** teams and finally lost to a good team. They've played well for many years, but have fallen short against a better team.

I really don't see how England fans bagging the **** out of the Indian team does their team any favours. In fact its only putting down the achievements of England in this series. Fair enough the 3rd and 4th tests have been piss poor from India, but they showed up at Lord's, but England were too good. And India were well on top at Trent Bridge and England showed guts and fought back. That should be talked about, not just insulting the Indian team as a millionaire's club who have beaten easy opposition. That's blatantly rubbish.

For myself I'm not belittling what India have achieved, but their efforts in this series and, I think one can safely assume, their preparations for it have fallen some way below what one might expect of a #1 ranked test side.

England have been good, yes. But I don't think that we (as cricket fans) have had the series we had the right to expect. India, with a couple of admirable exceptions in Dravid and Kumar, just haven't been at the races.

I don't think any Indian fan could seriously be happy with the efforts of their team, can they?

 

[AlwaysProteas]

I am not sure how much test cricket not involving England you watch, but India were most certainly tested in South Africa. In fact, they faced some of the best bowling I have ever seen from Steyn in that third test, and came out pretty well. They haven't beaten **** teams and finally lost to a good team.

The difference between our bowling attack and English attack is that you have 9.5/10 bowling for 14 some odd overs, but then you get a rest to face some mediocre bowling. This English attack constantly throws 9/10 at you all the time.

 

[Cevno]

For myself I'm not belittling what India have achieved, but their efforts in this series and, I think one can safely assume, their preparations for it have fallen some way below what one might expect of a #1 ranked test side.

England have been good, yes. But I don't think that we (as cricket fans) have had the series we had the right to expect. India, with a couple of admirable exceptions in Dravid and Kumar, just haven't been at the races.

I don't think any Indian fan could seriously be happy with the efforts of their team, can they?

I don't think the post he was responding too or that post from Jono is talking about what happened in this series only though.

What i think he was referring to was the demeaning of what this side achieved before based on this series and making massive generalisations based on one series.

I doubt anyone would disagree with anything you are saying in the post above though.The whole performance and preparation for this series has been pathetic.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

The difference between our bowling attack and English attack is that you have 9.5/10 bowling for 14 some odd overs, but then you get a rest to face some mediocre bowling. This English attack constantly throws 9/10 at you all the time.

Yep, that may change if Tahir proves his worth but obviously India will play him quite well anyway. England might not but the players have had enough of a look at him in county cricket over the years so he isn't a mystery to them.

 

[Jono]

For myself I'm not belittling what India have achieved, but their efforts in this series and, I think one can safely assume, their preparations for it have fallen some way below what one might expect of a #1 ranked test side.

England have been good, yes. But I don't think that we (as cricket fans) have had the series we had the right to expect. India, with a couple of admirable exceptions in Dravid and Kumar, just haven't been at the races.

I don't think any Indian fan could seriously be happy with the efforts of their team, can they?

Of course not, but how is that relevant to anything I posted?

India's past achievements are the ones being dismissed. That is what I'm disputing.

Some of the posts are basically saying India are a **** cricket team. I do not agree with that one bit.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Of course not, but how is that relevant to anything I posted?

India's past achievements are the ones being dismissed. That is what I'm disputing.

Some of the posts are basically saying India are a **** cricket team. I do not agree with that one bit.

You said:

I really don't see how England fans bagging the **** out of the Indian team does their team any favours. In fact its only putting down the achievements of England in this series.

Now, as flattering as it is to think the series has all been down to England's better bowling, fitness, fielding, etc, there is a genuine question to be asked as to why the team ranked #1 going in has performed so very badly.

I'm not "bagging" India, I'm just (as a cricket fan) disappointed in them and not minded to give their failings a free pass.

 

[smash84]

awt brumby regarding the disappointment.

I don't think anybody is rubbing India's achievements in the dirt. Only that with the prestige of being number 1 come certain expectations which got horribly dashed in this case.

 

[Jacknife]

You said:



Now, as flattering as it is to think the series has all been down to England's better bowling, fitness, fielding, etc, there is a genuine question to be asked as to why the team ranked #1 going in has performed so very badly.

I'm not "bagging" India, I'm just (as a cricket fan) disappointed in them and not minded to give their failings a free pass.

I agree and if England had rolled up in India as the No1 ranked side and played so poorly, I would bag the **** out of them and they would of course deserve it.

 

[AlwaysProteas]

Yep, that may change if Tahir proves his worth but obviously India will play him quite well anyway. England might not but the players have had enough of a look at him in county cricket over the years so he isn't a mystery to them.

Tahir will be interesting. We'll see how he performs against Australia and more importantly against Sri Lanka.

 

[Jono]

You said:



Now, as flattering as it is to think the series has all been down to England's better bowling, fitness, fielding, etc, there is a genuine question to be asked as to why the team ranked #1 going in has performed so very badly.

I'm not "bagging" India, I'm just (as a cricket fan) disappointed in them and not minded to give their failings a free pass.

That would be valid if the posts about the Indian team by some English members were actually saying that they've been a disappointment, and not that they are a rubbish team who can't bowl and whose batsmen are a millionaire's club that's not been tested at all until they came to England.

 

[centurymaker]

That would be valid if the posts about the Indian team by some English members were actually saying that they've been a disappointment, and not that they are a rubbish team who can't bowl and whose batsmen are a millionaire's club that's not been tested at all until they came to England.

you are actually quite right. hadn't really realized.

 

[Jacknife]

That would be valid if the posts about the Indian team by some English members were actually saying that they've been a disappointment, and not that they are a rubbish team who can't bowl and whose batsmen are a millionaire's club that's not been tested at all until they came to England.

Isn't it GIMH that said this because most of the post I've read from the England fans have been of disappointment rather than ripping on the Indian team.