Rate the Australian WC Winning Teams

[mr_mister]

It's got to be a bit of both. Ponting in 2003 was his absolute peak and he was nowhere near as good a player in 1999

From #6 at the start of '99 to #3 at the start of '03 according to the official world rankings

Keep in mind how much more of a bowlers game it was in the 90s too

 

[TheJediBrah]

From #6 at the start of '99 to #3 at the start of '03 according to the rankings

Keep in mind how much more of a bowlers game it was in the 90s too

I don't care what the rankings said, I watched this religiously. Ponting was a very good ODI bat in 1999. Not one of the best in the world though. 2003 he was in god mode. He made 3 Test double centuries in 2003. No one came close to him

I am very surprised that he was ranked as high as 6 in 1999 though

 

[trundler]

Between the current one and 87 for the wooden spoon.

Warner > Boon
Head > Marsh
Marsh < Jones
Smith > Border
Labuschagne < Veletta
Maxwell = Waugh
Inglis < Dyer (probably)
Cummins < O'Donnell
Starc > McDermott
Zampa > May

 

[DriveClub]

I can't remember in 2007 if the lower middle order ever got to bat. They just demolished every single team. On performance alone they're the best

 

[mr_mister]

I don't care what the rankings said, I watched this religiously. Ponting was a very good ODI bat in 1999. Not one of the best in the world though. 2003 he was in god mode. He made 3 Test double centuries in 2003. No one came close to him

I am very surprised that he was ranked as high as 6 in 1999 though

Would you be surprised if I told you Ricky only scored 61 more runs in his '03 WC campaign then '99 WC

As well as scoring more runs combined across the 98-99 calendar years then 02-03 ones

I feel like there's a tiny bit of conflating his 90s up and down test career with his ODI one

 

[mr_mister]

Oh and since you had Bevan as equal 99-03 I would like to say '99 Bevans career average was almost 10 runs higher than 03 Bevan

1999 reigns supreme

 

[TheJediBrah]

Oh and since you had Bevan as equal 99-03 I would like to say '99 Bevans career average was almost 10 runs higher than 03 Bevan

1999 reigns supreme

No Bevan won 2 low-scoring games in 2003 off his own bat

1999 has no argument. Vastly inferior to 2003. At least 2007 is close and have an argument

 

[Silver Silva]

2003 team for me ..I back that team against anyone that has ever competed in a WC knock-out stage

 

[mr_mister]

No Bevan won 2 low-scoring games in 2003 off his own bat

1999 has no argument. Vastly inferior to 2003. At least 2007 is close and have an argument

Warne got MOTM in the SF and Final

Steve Waughs 120* was arguably the GOAT WC innings at the time

Mark Waugh is considered on CW to be a moderate upgrade on Hayden as an opener generally

It's not as clear cut as you're making it seem

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warne got MOTM in the SF and Final

Steve Waughs 120* was arguably the GOAT WC innings at the time

Mark Waugh is considered on CW to be a moderate upgrade on Hayden as an opener generally

It's not as clear cut as you're making it seem

Mark Waugh isn't an upgrade on Hayden

Steve Waugh played a great innings but isn't much of an upgrade on Martyn. In fact Martyn probably has him covered as an ODI bat.

I'll accept saying Warne > Hogg on WC performance but I don't think the difference is that much

So all those differences in favour of 1999 are debatable or minor at best. Whereas 2003 has Symonds > Moody and Lee/Gillespie > Reiffel/Dale/Julian which are huge improvements

 

[mr_mister]

Mark Waugh isn't an upgrade on Hayden

Steve Waugh played a great innings but isn't much of an upgrade on Martyn. In fact Martyn probably has him covered as an ODI bat.

I'll accept saying Warne > Hogg on WC performance but I don't think the difference is that much

So all those differences in favour of 1999 are debatable or minor at best. Whereas 2003 has Symonds > Moody and Lee/Gillespie > Reiffel/Dale/Julian which are huge improvements

All time world ODI XI game

Bob Willis Javagal Srinath Faf du Plessis

www.cricketweb.net

Junior made the 2nd All time XI team, Hayden the 5th, if you value CW consensus at all (post 725)

Junior just faced such harder bowlers than Haydos for pretty similar career stats

 

[TheJediBrah]

All time world ODI XI game

Bob Willis Javagal Srinath Faf du Plessis

www.cricketweb.net

Junior made the 2nd All time XI team, Hayden the 5th, if you value CW consensus at all (post 725)

Junior just faced such harder bowlers than Haydos for pretty similar career stats

I don't

But you keep ignoring the huge differences to push the minor ones

none of that comes close to making up for Symonds and Lee replacing Moody and Reiffel

 

[mr_mister]

But okay, I'll give you Dale and Julian were pretty meh. Though barely featured beyond a group stage game or two

Moody actually had a pretty impressive tournament, averaged 100 or something

 

[mr_mister]

I don't

But you keep ignoring the huge differences to push the minor ones

none of that comes close to making up for Symonds and Lee replacing Moody and Reiffel

If I can make up enough ground on the minor differences it can negate Symonds and Lee

 

[TheJediBrah]

If I can make up enough ground on the minor differences it can negate Symonds and Lee

Not even close

But okay, I'll give you Dale and Julian were pretty meh. Though barely featured beyond a group stage game or two

Moody actually had a pretty impressive tournament, averaged 100 or something

Between Dale, Julian and Reiffel they played a full tournament as the 4th bowler

They are competing with Lee in 2003

 

[mr_mister]

Well, Pistol is a cut above Dale and Julian

 

[Burgey]

I can't remember in 2007 if the lower middle order ever got to bat. They just demolished every single team. On performance alone they're the best

There was one game in 2007 where they changed the batting order to give Mike Hussey a hit ffs. It was a walk in the park for that side

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

03 team is the strongest imho. 07 team was more dominant but I don’t see any team in history beating 03 team.

 

[Redbacks]

I think M Waugh was better than Hayden, but Hayden 06/07 was in God mode near the end of his career which makes memories of him better.

 

[GIMH]

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Don’t know where 87 slots in.