Random things you may not know

[aussie tragic]

Slater's innings that day was so good. **** his entire 1998 was amazing

Yep, but I also liked how MacGill totally out bowled Warne

 

[aussie tragic]

Australia played 5 "Tests" against a World XI in 1971-72 and 14 "Supertests" in Packers WSC during 1977-78.

If these were counted as real tests (well they were against the best players in the World), note the following stats:

Greg Chappell: 17T, 32Inn, 3no, 1840 runs @ 63.44, HS 246, 7 centuries, 5 fifties
Dennis Lillee: 18T, 91Wkts @ 25.07, Best 8-29

This would mean their overall Test records would have been:
Greg Chappell: 104T, 8950 runs @ 55.59 with 31 centuries
Dennis Lillee: 88T, 446 Wkts @ 24.16, Best 8-29

This would have meant Chappell was first to 30 centuries, would have held the world record for most runs (passing Sobers 8032) and would still be 4th on Aussie run scorer list (ahead of Clarke, Hayden, M. Waugh, Langer, Taylor and Boon as he deserves to be)

For Lillee, he would have been the first bowler to take 400 wkts and would have kept his world record for most wkts for 17 years after his retirement, meaning Botham, Hadlee and Dev would never have done so.

 

[AndrewB]

Australia played 5 "Tests" against a World XI in 1971-72 and 14 "Supertests" in Packers WSC during 1977-78.

If these were counted as real tests (well they were against the best players in the World), note the following stats:

Greg Chappell: 17T, 32Inn, 3no, 1840 runs @ 63.44, HS 246, 7 centuries, 5 fifties
Dennis Lillee: 18T, 91Wkts @ 25.07, Best 8-29

This would mean their overall Test records would have been:
Greg Chappell: 104T, 8950 runs @ 55.59 with 31 centuries
Dennis Lillee: 88T, 446 Wkts @ 24.16, Best 8-29

This would have meant Chappell was first to 30 centuries, would have held the world record for most runs (passing Sobers 8032) and would still be 4th on Aussie run scorer list (ahead of Clarke, Hayden, M. Waugh, Langer, Taylor and Boon as he deserves to be)

For Lillee, he would have been the first bowler to take 400 wkts and would have kept his world record for most wkts for 17 years after his retirement, meaning Botham, Hadlee and Dev would have never done so.

Sobers scored 929 runs in the 10 "Rest of the World XI" Tests, so he'd have 8961 runs and Chappell wouldn't have passed him. He'd only have 29 centuries, though, so I think you're right that Chappell would be the first to 30 centuries, a few weeks before Gavaskar in 1983.

Botham obviously wouldn't have passed 446 wickets, but if that had been the target I wouldn't bet against Hadlee and Kapil passing it.

 

[aussie tragic]

Sobers scored 929 runs in the 10 "Rest of the World XI" Tests, so he'd have 8961 runs and Chappell wouldn't have passed him. He'd only have 29 centuries, though, so I think you're right that Chappell would be the first to 30 centuries, a few weeks before Gavaskar in 1983.

Botham obviously wouldn't have passed 446 wickets, but if that had been the target I wouldn't bet against Hadlee and Kapil passing it.

You're right that I forgot to add Sobers World XI runs, however as he played 5 "Tests" in same series as Chappell 1971-72 and scored 341 runs @ 48.71, what are these other 5 World XI Tests where he must have scored another 588 runs?

 

[mr_mister]

Those tests should count IMO. Let's turn the record books on their head


Are any ATG's seriously hampered by their records in these super tests though? Like did any legends perform so bad that'l it would actually ruin their records

 

[aussie tragic]

Those tests should count IMO. Let's turn the record books on their head


Are any ATG's seriously hampered by their records in these super tests though? Like did any legends perform so bad that'l it would actually ruin their records

Yes, in WSC Greg Chappell and Viv Richards were the stand outs both averaging around 55/56, while the next highest averages were Lloyd 37.94, Greenidge 35.90 and I. Chappell 34.20 while Rod Marsh who had an excellent WK Test average of around 32 prior to WSC averaged just 19.67

And in the 1971-72 World XI, Gavaskar averaged 28.55, Lloyd 30.66 and Zareer Abbas 29.00

 

[Magrat Garlick]

You're right that I forgot to add Sobers World XI runs, however as he played 5 "Tests" in same series as Chappell 1971-72 and scored 341 runs @ 48.71, what are these other 5 World XI Tests where he must have scored another 588 runs?

England 1970 (replacing SA because apartheid)

 

[aussie tragic]

England 1970 (replacing SA because apartheid)

So thread was good for something as did not know about this series...now searching

 

[Red]

I heard Greg Chappell talk about the Supertests and WSC and he said something along the lines of he got by in most of his career only using 75% of his ability. He said batting in the Supertests needed 100%. Definitely sounded like he loved the challenge and his records show he rose to it.

 

[mr_mister]

What do Barry Richard's and Pollock's records look like if we count these super tests along with regular tests

 

[aussie tragic]

Sobers scored 929 runs in the 10 "Rest of the World XI" Tests, so he'd have 8961 runs and Chappell wouldn't have passed him. He'd only have 29 centuries, though, so I think you're right that Chappell would be the first to 30 centuries, a few weeks before Gavaskar in 1983.

Botham obviously wouldn't have passed 446 wickets, but if that had been the target I wouldn't bet against Hadlee and Kapil passing it.

Okay thanks to Samual_Vimes I now know about the other 5 World XI Tests in England 1970, however using your bowling record theory, I'm sure Greg Chappell would have scored the other 12 runs needed if he knew a World Record was at stake...Chappell announced his retirement when still 68 runs behind Bradman as the Aussie leading run scorer and then scored 182 in his last innings, so I'm sure he would have concentrated to make 194 in that case

 

[aussie tragic]

What do Barry Richard's and Pollock's records look like if we count these super tests along with regular tests

Not good in 1970 World XI
Barry Richards, 5T, 8inn, 1no, 257 runs @ 36.71, 0 hundred
Graeme Pollock, 5T, 8inn, 0no, 250 runs @ 31.25, 1 hundred

Okay in 1971-72 World XI
Graeme Pollock, 3T, 5inn, 0no, 209 runs @ 41.80, 1 hundred

Excellent in WSC 1977-78
Barry Richards, 5T, 8inn, 1no, 554 runs @ 79.14, 2 hundreds (didn't count him before as only 5 Tests played)


So renewed records

Barry Richards, 14T, 1319 runs @ 62.80, 4 hundreds (was 72.57)
Graeme Pollock, 31T, 2715 runs @ 54.30, 9 hundreds (was 60.97)

 

[mr_mister]

Interesting, so it would only add to Richard's legacy but might take away a bit from Pollock's

 

[Tec15]

Not good in 1970 World XI
Barry Richards, 5T, 8inn, 1no, 257 runs @ 36.71, 0 hundred
Graeme Pollock, 5T, 8inn, 0no, 250 runs @ 31.25, 1 hundred

Okay in 1971-72 World XI
Graeme Pollock, 3T, 5inn, 0no, 209 runs @ 41.80, 1 hundred

Excellent in WSC 1977-78
Barry Richards, 5T, 8inn, 1no, 554 runs @ 79.14, 2 hundreds (didn't count him before as only 5 Tests played)


So renewed records

Barry Richards, 14T, 1319 runs @ 62.80, 4 hundreds (was 72.57)
Graeme Pollock, 31T, 2715 runs @ 54.30, 9 hundreds (was 60.97)

What about Proctor and Peter Pollock?

 

[AndrewB]

What about Proctor and Peter Pollock?

1970 RoW XI:
Mike Procter, 5T, 9inn, 1no, 292 runs @ 48.67: 15 wkts @ 23.93
Peter Pollock: 1T, 1inn, 1no, 23 runs: 2 wkts @ 55.00

1971-2 Row XI:
Peter Pollock: 2T, 3inn, 74 runs @ 24.67: 2 wkts @73.50

WSC:
Mike Procter: 4T, 7inn, 1no, 182 runs @ 30.33: 14 wkts @ 16.07

Overall records in Tests + RoW games + WSC:

Mike Procter: 16T, 26inn, 5no, 700 runs @ 33.33: 70 wkts @ 17.14
Peter Pollock: 31T, 45inn, 14no, 704 runs @ 22.71: 120 wkts @ 25.52

 

[aussie tragic]

1970 RoW XI:
Mike Procter, 5T, 9inn, 1no, 292 runs @ 48.67: 15 wkts @ 23.93
Peter Pollock: 1T, 1inn, 1no, 23 runs: 2 wkts @ 55.00

1971-2 Row XI:
Peter Pollock: 2T, 3inn, 74 runs @ 24.67: 2 wkts @73.50

WSC:
Mike Procter: 4T, 7inn, 1no, 182 runs @ 30.33: 14 wkts @ 16.07

Overall records in Tests + RoW games + WSC:

Mike Procter: 16T, 26inn, 5no, 700 runs @ 33.33: 70 wkts @ 17.14
Peter Pollock: 31T, 45inn, 14no, 704 runs @ 22.71: 120 wkts @ 25.52

Procter seems to be the biggest ever loss to World cricket...shame

 

[AndrewB]

Incidentally, if you throw in the "rebel tour" Tests as well, Richards's average drops to 52.36, while Pollock's rises to 57.60.

 

[Tec15]

Incidentally, if you throw in the "rebel tour" Tests as well, Richards's average drops to 52.36, while Pollock's rises to 57.60.

Yeah, I know Pollock gorged himself in the rebel tests, but surprised about Richards. I'm not sure if Proctor even played in any... Maybe just some one dayers? He was pretty much done by then due to injuries.

 

[morgieb]

Yeah, I know Pollock gorged himself in the rebel tests, but surprised about Richards. I'm not sure if Proctor even played in any... Maybe just some one dayers? He was pretty much done by then due to injuries.

AFAIK Richards was kinda done by then. Perhaps the difference between him and Pollock was that he played county cricket whereas Pollock didn't.

 

[StephenZA]

Procter seems to be the biggest ever loss to World cricket...shame

Clive Rice as well.... (I rate Rice > Procter)