Rahul Dravid vs Javed Miandad vs Ken Barrington

[Johan]

Personally of the view that Dravid is the runaway winner here but could make for an interesting discussion

 

[DrWolverine]

Barrington

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[Thala_0710]

Dravid>Barrington>Miandad

 

[Coronis]

My boy Kenny, you bastards

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dravid> Miandad > Barrington imo.

Barrington definitely benefits from that thing where his averages are prettier because of a shorter career length in this comparison. Not that much between them though.

 

[shortpitched713]

Dravid> Miandad > Barrington imo.

Barrington definitely benefits from that thing where his averages are prettier because of a shorter career length in this comparison. Not that much between them though.

Nah mate, Barrington had a career length in number of Tests over 50% longer than Bradman's. There isn't a meaningful "luck" factor in his record. There are other valid reasons you could use to criticize his record, but career length isn't one of them.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nah mate, Barrington had a career length in number of Tests over 50% longer than Bradman's. There isn't a meaningful "luck" factor in his record. There are other valid reasons you could use to criticize his record, but career length isn't one of them.

Weird comparison but ok.

Barrington played 10 years of tests right in his prime years. He didn't have a great FC record in his non test FC matches which was partly down to spicier county pitches I think, but also because he improved a lot after the early/mid 1950s. It's not "luck", but if he'd been selected young, his averages wouldn't have been as obscene imo.

 

[Johan]

Barrington was a low 30s averaging county batter until late 50s, he legit wasn't even test standard until near 30.

 

[shortpitched713]

Weird comparison but ok.

Barrington played 10 years of tests right in his prime years. He didn't have a great FC record in his non test FC matches which was partly down to spicier county pitches I think, but also because he improved a lot after the early/mid 1950s. It's not "luck", but if he'd been selected young, his averages wouldn't have been as obscene imo.

Ok. But he had the average that he had when he was selected for Tests.

If we give some batsmen bonus points for longevity, then we should at the very least let player's baseline averages lay as they are without contesting them out of validity somehow.

 

[Coronis]

Nah mate, Barrington had a career length in number of Tests over 50% longer than Bradman's. There isn't a meaningful "luck" factor in his record. There are other valid reasons you could use to criticize his record, but career length isn't one of them.

He means career length in terms of years which is a fair criticism. Looking at Barrington’s career, he played 80 of his tests over a 9 year period, after being dropped for 4 years.

Comparing something similar for Dravid and Miandad (9 years + 2 months)

Barrington 1959-1968
80 tests 128 innings 6754 @ 59.76

Dravid 1996-2005
89 tests 151 innings 7696 @ 57.86

Miandad 1976-1985
71 matches 111 innings 5350 @ 56.91

 

[shortpitched713]

Eh, that's a really tenuous can of worms to open

 

[Coronis]

Eh, that's a really tenuous can of worms to open

I mean, we’re not actually judging them purely on that I’m just helping visualise the point. If all great batsmen only played during their prime 9 years/a decade their stats would be closer to Barrington’s. Obviously they don’t, and that’s where longevity is considered for a relative drop off in the numbers.

 

[Johan]

He means career length in terms of years which is a fair criticism. Looking at Barrington’s career, he played 80 of his tests over a 9 year period, after being dropped for 4 years.

Comparing something similar for Dravid and Miandad (9 years + 2 months)

Barrington 1959-1968
80 tests 128 innings 6754 @ 59.76

Compton 1937-1949
36 tests, 60 innings, 3132 @ 60.23

common Compton W.

 

[Coronis]

Compton 1937-1949
36 tests, 60 innings, 3132 @ 60.23

common Compton W.

I meant 9 actual years playing

 

[Johan]

I meant 9 actual years playing

 

[Coronis]

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Here’s a fun comparison tho since you brought up Compton.

Kohli Aug 2020 - Jan 2025
37 matches 1990 @ 32.09 3 tons 9 fifties
Compton Aug 1949 - Jan 1954
20 matches 847 @ 28.23 1 ton 5 fifties

 

[Johan]

Here’s a fun comparison tho since you brought up Compton.

Kohli Aug 2020 - Jan 2025
37 matches 1990 @ 32.09 3 tons 9 fifties
Compton Aug 1949 - Jan 1954
20 matches 847 @ 28.23 1 ton 5 fifties

I commend your ability to hate, it truly surpasses my own.

but Here's another fun stat

Kohli comeback arc
0 matches, 0 @ 00.0, 0 tons 0 fifties

Compton Feb 1954 - Dec 1956
20 matches, 1,636 @ 60.6, 3 tons 9 fifties.

etc. Kohli fans would die for this, including @capt_Luffy

 

[sayon basak]

I commend your ability to hate, it truly surpasses my own.

but Here's another fun stat

Compton Feb 1954 - Dec 1956
20 matches, 1,636 @ 60.6, 3 tons 9 fifties.

etc. Kohli fans would die for this, including @capt_Luffy

Kohli (from September 2016 to December 2018):-
3309 runs @71.92, 13 centuries.

 

[Johan]

Kohli (from June 2011 to December 2018):-
3309 runs @71.92, 13 centuries.

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