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[Magrat Garlick]

Using the IRA to try and prove a rational point, eh Hakon?

No, just having a bit of a laugh. Besides, it's not only the IRA who moan about that usage. The Irish ambassador "discourages" that term.

Given all the history, it's really, really ridiculous to expect people in Ireland to get interested and play a sport where their national team is called "England". Whereas things such as this suggests there's a fair few more people playing cricket in Ireland due to this success - and why that is a bad thing I can not comprehend. Surely one of the goals of a sporting body must be to get as many people as possible to play it?

 

[Richard]

If the Irish really know that the team, regardless of it's name, is as much theirs as it is the English's, it's not a problem. There has never been any barrier to Irishmen playing for England, until recently.

The history is just that - history. England and Ireland are no longer at loggerheads, with everyone in both countries raged against the other. If anything it should be less of an obsticle now than it ever was.

The way some people paint it all Irish are bigots and anti-English nutcases, and I don't really like it, TBH. I know a good few Irish lads and there's absolutely no more of a rivalry than that between those of Yorkshire and Lancashire.

 

[marc71178]

Given all the history, it's really, really ridiculous to expect people in Ireland to get interested and play a sport where their national team is called "England".

But their national team is called Ireland, not England.

If that weren't the case they'd not have to qualify for England...

 

[Richard]

They never had to before I$C$C decided it'd make them look better to treat Ireland as a new country.

 

[pup11]

But if all the talented Irish players keep on migrating to England then how would Irish cricket develop itself.


Is there no way of stopping this migration of Irish players?

 

[Piper]

When I heard that Ireland were even in the World Cup I was like ''how?'' I didn't even know they played cricket. But to get the the Super 8 would be awesome for them. I think they played well, although they didn't have a lot of pressure on them.

 

[Richard]

But if all the talented Irish players keep on migrating to England then how would Irish cricket develop itself.


Is there no way of stopping this migration of Irish players?

There's no need, it's perfectly natural. They're not migrating, anyway, just commuting.

Cricket in Ireland can improve in strenght without them having a side separate from England.

 

[LA ICE-E]

They never had to before I$C$C decided it'd make them look better to treat Ireland as a new country.

ICC didn't decide to make them a new team or to separate from England. They did it on their own. And if they wanted to do that and like you said encourage Ireland & Scotland to separate why didn't they encourage Wales to become a separate team too, or what about the windies or Ireland and Northern Ireland like in soccer?

 

[LA ICE-E]

But if all the talented Irish players keep on migrating to England then how would Irish cricket develop itself.


Is there no way of stopping this migration of Irish players?

yeah, easy solution would be money. but they don't have it yet. they need to get a domestic system going and then in about ten years(hopefully) when they qualify for test status, the migration will naturally stop.

 

[LA ICE-E]

There's no need, it's perfectly natural. They're not migrating, anyway, just commuting.

Cricket in Ireland can improve in strenght without them having a side separate from England.

than how come it didn't improve for this long since they have been playing for England? seriously you think Irish would want to play for England had their own team had test status?

 

[GIMH]

Strictly speaking Ireland is part of the British Isles because that term is a geographical rather than a political one. Eire (the Republic of Ireland) is not part of the UK (or the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland to give it its full title) tho as it's a seperate country.

Yeah, as Hakon said though, the term "British isles" in ireland is only ever used to describe the UK. They don't consider themselves part of anything "british" tbh

Probably similar to calling Cote D'Ivoire Ivory Coast in a roundabout way

In this country though, it does include Ireland, so even though it's a geographical term, it is still a debatable one

 

[Richard]

than how come it didn't improve for this long since they have been playing for England? seriously you think Irish would want to play for England had their own team had test status?

You think Yorkshiremen would want to play for England if their own team had Test status?

'Cos if you do, you're wrong.

 

[Richard]

ICC didn't decide to make them a new team or to separate from England. They did it on their own. And if they wanted to do that and like you said encourage Ireland & Scotland to separate why didn't they encourage Wales to become a separate team too, or what about the windies or Ireland and Northern Ireland like in soccer?

I$C$C quite clearly have a desire to make the game appear more Global, and by splitting-up one country into 3 (which they have tried to make it appear as though they've done) they can make it look so.

 

[LA ICE-E]

I$C$C quite clearly have a desire to make the game appear more Global, and by splitting-up one country into 3 (which they have tried to make it appear as though they've done) they can make it look so.

why didn't the split it into more is the question? 'cause using you way they could have seperated it and made it look even more. Why didn't they? 'cause those teams seperated themselves.

 

[LA ICE-E]

You think Yorkshiremen would want to play for England if their own team had Test status?

'Cos if you do, you're wrong.

it isn't a country.

 

[Athlai]

it isn't a country.

Independance for Yorkshire!

 

[Prince EWS]

it isn't a country.

Neither is England, actually.

And neither is Ireland as a whole in which its cricket team competes.

 

[GIMH]

No, but the UK and the Republic of Ireland are two separate countries

 

[Prince EWS]

No, but the UK and the Republic of Ireland are two separate countries

Oh indeed, but the Republic of Ireland doesn't compete as its own side - Ireland takes players from Northern Ireland as well.

My point was though, the fact the Yorkshire is not a country has little bearing on the debate at hand, because England is not a country either. Neither is Scotland, or Ireland (in the sense of the entirity of Ireland - which the cricket team claims). England is part of a country, much in the same way Yorkshire is.

 

[GIMH]

I can see where you're coming from, but it's a tad on the pedantic side don't you think?