Playing selector: Lets pick the best test XI of different eras

[oz_fan]

Bradman

 

[riggarretard]

Most colliest team ever

1.Mark Richardson
2.Eric Gilchurch
3.Martin Crowe
4.Mike Hussey
5.Craig McMillan
6.Chris Harris
7.Chris Cairns
8.Shane Watson
9.Jimmy Franklin
10.Jason Gillespie
11.Shane Bond


Yeah this team is ruthless as

 

[aussie tragic]

Bradman for me, they clashed in 1938 when Bradman had a poor unbalanced attack and in 1946/47 when Bradman won easily.

Those captained by Hammond were unimpressed especially on the 1946/47 tour, most rating him the worst Test captain they played under.

I heard that Hammond was no where near the same standard of captain post-war that he was pre-war, but as this is a 1920-39 XI, the 1946-47 results should be considered irrelevant

 

[archie mac]

I heard that Hammond was no where near the same standard of captain post-war that he was pre-war, but as this is a 1920-39 XI, the 1946-47 results should be considered irrelevant

Fair enough, but I can't remember reading anything about him being a good captain before or after the war. Not rated too highly by any of the Gloster players he captained

One comment was 'He was a great batsman, but a complete bastard'

 

[JBH001]

Bradman for me.

Best captain, best batsman.

 

[bagapath]

don bradman. good enough to lead his team from a 0-2 position to a series winning 3-2 result in 1936-37. i am certain i wont see too many five test series where that would happen before i die. also he continued the ruthless aussie traddition of winning at all costs without employing unfair tactics (probably started by warwick armstrong) which later continued under benaud, ian chappell, border, taylor, waugh and, now, ponting.

 

[aussie tragic]

The CW selected 1920-39 World XI

1. Jack Hobbs (56.63)
2. Herb Sutcliffe (60.73)
3. Don Bradman (97.94)
4. Wally Hammond (61.45) and (Bowl: 37.77)
5. George Headley (66.75)
6. Stan McCabe (48.21)
7. + Les Ames (43.40)
8. Harold Larwood (19.40) and (Bowl: 28.35)
9. Bill Voce (14.45) and (Bowl: 26.04)
10. Clarrie Grimmett (13.92) and (Bowl: 24.21)
11. Bill O'Reilly (12.81) and (Bowl: 23.68)


The 1920-39 World Second XI:

1. Bill Ponsford (48.22)
2. Bill Woodfull (46.00)
3. Charles Macartney (69.55)
4. Eddie Paynter (59.23)
5. Douglas Jardine (48.00)
6. Jack Gregory (36.96) and (Bowl: 31.15)
7. Maurice Tate (25.48) and (Bowl: 26.16)
8. + Bert Oldfield (22.65)
9. Amar Singh (22.46) and (Bowl: 30.64)
10. Hedley Verity (20.90) and (Bowl: 24.37)
11. Bert Ironmonger (2.62) and (Bowl: 17.97)

 

[bagapath]

this team is still short of one bowling allrounder though. hopefully the next team will have one of rhodes, noble, faulkner etc.

 

[The Sean]

Don't know if the captain vote is still going, but Bradman. For all his personal clashes with some of his players (often over-exaggerated), he was rated very highly as a captain by all those who played under him. Hammond wasnot, as far as I've ever read or heard, ever considered an outstanding captain, and I'm frankly astonished he's gotten such a percentage of the votes so far. If it was Jardine up against The Don, I could understand it, but Hammond's not even close.

 

[bagapath]

i agree sean. may be celebrate writers (and cricketers) such as oreilly and fingleton have been influential in many forming a negative opinion on don. though they have written only great things about his cricketing ability some of their opinions on his personality are not too far from blatant character assassination.

 

[oz_fan]

I think it would be good to finish this off by doing the pre world war 1 team. Seeing as though aussie tragic and bagapath aren't as active any more I'm happy to run it. I'll try and get the openers poll up soon.

 

[pasag]

aussie tragic left unfortunately.

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=1082379&postcount=96

And yeah, good idea.

 

[Perm]

I think it would be good to finish this off by doing the pre world war 1 team. Seeing as though aussie tragic and bagapath aren't as active any more I'm happy to run it. I'll try and get the openers poll up soon.

Would support the construction of the pre-WWI team, looking forward to what the team will look like.

 

[Matt79]

Jeez, not much of an explanation from him either. Hope it was just that he had too much other stuff to do, and not because he was unhappy here - he was a really good contributor.

 

[oz_fan]

Here's the list I've come up with so far with help from the stats bagapath provided earlier. I've set the minimum amount of tests at 10 but there may be exceptions due to the limited amount of tests played. If anyone thinks of someone to be added to the list just let me know. Some of the batsmen like Fry and Hayward could be either openers or middle order batsmen. I've put them in the openers category for now.

Openers
Batsman Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50
Charles Kelleway - 15 24 3 832 114 102 70 39.61 2 4
WG Grace - 22 36 2 1098 170 152 75* 32.29 2 5
Victor Trumper - 48 89 8 3163 214* 185* 166 39.04 8 13
Tom Hayward - 35 60 2 1999 137 130 122 34.46 3 12
Bobby Abel - 13 22 2 744 132* 120 94 37.20 2 2
Joe Darling - 34 60 2 1657 178 160 101 28.56 3 8
Warren Bardsley - 20 33 0 1490 164 136 132 45.15 5 7

Middle Order
Batsman Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50
WW Armstrong - 40 71 8 2247 159* 133* 132 35.66 3 7
Ranji - 15 26 4 989 175 154* 93* 44.95 2 6
Clem Hill - 49 89 2 3412 191 188 160 39.21 7 19
FS Jackson - 20 33 4 1415 144* 128 118 48.79 5 6
Bill Murdoch - 19 34 5 908 211 153* 85 31.31 2 1
Andrew Stoddart - 16 30 2 996 173 134 83 35.57 2 3
Archie MacLaren - 35 61 4 1931 140 124 120 33.87 5 8
Arthur Shrewsbury - 23 40 4 1277 164 106 105* 35.47 3 4
Johnny Tyldesley - 31 55 1 1661 138 112* 112 30.75 4 9
George Gunn - 11 21 1 844 122* 119 75 42.20 2 6
CB Fry - 26 41 3 1223 144 129 79 32.18 2 7

All Rounders
All Rounder Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w
Aubrey Faulkner - 24 1717 204 41.87 4 8 82 7/84 25.52 4
Monty Noble - 42 1997 133 30.25 1 16 121 7/17 25.00 9
George Giffen - 31 1238 161 23.35 1 6 103 7/117 27.09 7
Wilfred Rhodes - 47 1965 179 32.21 2 10 105 8/68 24.90 6
G Ulyett - 25 949 149 24.33 1 7 50 7/36 20.40 1
Allan Steel - 13 600 148 35.29 2 0 29 3/27 20.86 0
Jimmy Sinclair - 25 1069 106 23.23 3 3 63 6/26 31.68 1

Bowlers
Bowler mat wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 5w 10w Wkt/Test
FR Spofforth - 18 94 7/44 14/90 18.41 2.48 44.52 7 4 5.222
GE Palmer - 17 78 7/65 11/165 21.51 2.22 57.91 6 2 4.588
G Giffen - 31 103 7/117 10/160 27.09 2.64 61.40 7 1 3.323
CTB Turner - 17 101 7/43 12/87 16.53 1.93 51.27 11 2 5.941
H Trumble - 32 141 8/65 12/89 21.78 2.27 57.43 9 3 4.406
JV Saunders - 14 79 7/34 9/66 22.73 3.02 45.12 6 0 5.643
A Cotter - 21 89 7/148 9/221 28.64 3.30 52.05 7 0 4.238
R Peel - 20 101 7/31 11/68 16.98 1.97 51.64 5 1 5.05
J Briggs - 33 118 8/11 15/28 17.75 2.35 45.18 9 4 3.576
GA Lohmann - 18 112 9/28 15/45 10.75 1.89 34.11 9 5 6.222
T Richardson - 14 88 8/94 13/244 25.22 2.96 51.10 11 4 6.286
C Blythe - 19 100 8/59 15/99 18.63 2.45 45.46 9 4 5.263
SF Barnes - 27 189 9/103 17/159 16.43 2.36 41.65 24 7 7
JJ Ferris - 9 61 7/37 13/91 12.70 2.01 37.7 6 1 6.78
Jack Hearne - 49 6/41 10/60 22.08 2.18 60.7 4 1 4.1

Wicketkeepers
W/Keeper Matches Runs HS Average 100 50 Ct St
Percy Sherwell - 13 427 115 23.72 1 1 20 16
Jack Blackham - 35 800 74 15.68 0 4 37 24
Dick Lilley - 35 903 20.52 0 4 70 22

 

[Perm]

Faulker the obvious choice for all rounder, while Ranji's numbers are also very impressive. All the bowlers look pretty good too, a lot of legendary names in their who don't receive much recognition thesedays.

 

[oz_fan]

I've added a few more cricketers to the list. I'll start the polls tomorrow to give everyone the chance to add to the list or dispute a players category.

 

[oz_fan]

The voting has started for the openers and opening bowlers.
This is what the team looks like so far.
1. Grace (leading so far)
2. Trumper (coming second so far)
3. Chosen from: Clem Hill, Archie MacLaren, Ranji, Billy Murdoch, Andrew Stoddart, Arthur Shrewsbury, Johnny Tyldesley, George Gunn
4. Chosen from: Clem Hill, Archie MacLaren, Ranji, Billy Murdoch, Andrew Stoddart, Arthur Shrewsbury, Johnny Tyldesley, George Gunn
5. Chosen from: Clem Hill, Archie MacLaren, Ranji, Billy Murdoch, Andrew Stoddart, Arthur Shrewsbury, Johnny Tyldesley, George Gunn
6. Chosen from: Allrounders + 3 runners up of the number 5 poll.
7. Wicketkeeper
8. Final Bowler (runners up of the allrounder, spinners, and opening bowlers poll)
9. Spin Bowler
10. Syd Barnes (leading so far)
11. Fred Spofforth (second so far)
The batting order may change based on the players chosen. I'll try to get the number 3 poll running soon.

 

[marc71178]

Too many polls at one time IMO.

 

[Matt79]

Any chance of Armstrong being put in as an allrounder? I'd vote for Faulkner over him, but I reckon he deserves to be included.