The way I read it was that Smith was the spin bowler who could bat and Warner the T20 biffer.wait i didnt think warner was ever pushed as anything other than a part time leggie
acclimatizing to conditionsWhy'd you wait four years to start posting?
He has over-performed for sure, but he's not 'really' the world's number 1 bowler in any true cricket fans head. Just a function of a lot of strong home performances in a row. Remembering he's only any good at home.Ravindra Jadeja really has surpassed all expectations. From being butt of many a jokes to #1 test bowler is some overachivement.
First ODI series he batted 6, 6 and 7 ... was definitely in more as a bowler, from my recollection.AFAIA Astle started out as a bowler for Canterbury, but by the time he debuted for New Zealand he'd made the switch to batsman who bowled a bit.
Oh you.He has over-performed for sure, but he's not 'really' the world's number 1 bowler in any true cricket fans head. Just a function of a lot of strong home performances in a row. Remembering he's only any good at home.
transplant him to a certain other era of australian cricket we don't talk about and he plays a hundred and captains too in fairnessVoges. Transplant him to another era and he wouldn't have played any Tests.
Some eras, wouldn't even have been a regular for WA....
Only it's not pointless. The reason I gave for him being number 1 currently is 100% correct & it's true no knowledgeable honest cricket fan thinks he's anywhere near the number 1 Test bowler in any meaningful respect, so why so typically defensive?Dude, that is a pointless thing to bring up. He is #1 in the ratings. What had to happen for him to achieve that is immaterial. He is there and that is much higher than anyone thought his ceiling was. And for all we know, this may not yet be his ceiling either. I dont understand the relevance of your post considering Jadeja is a perfect example of the trope the thread is looking for.
The perfect example, got to have had some guts and work ethic to have achieved what he did.Mark Richardson. Left arm spinner & tail-end bat turned Test opener averaging in the mid-40s.
see i don't think this is true. bloke deserves to be at the top, if what he did was easy we'd see everyone else doing itOnly it's not pointless. The reason I gave for him being number 1 currently is 100% correct & it's true no knowledgeable honest cricket fan thinks he's anywhere near the number 1 Test bowler in any meaningful respect, so why so typically defensive?
well evidently you sir are not a knowledgable honest cricket fansee i don't think this is true. bloke deserves to be at the top, if what he did was easy we'd see everyone else doing it
yeah but everyone knew that alreadywell evidently you sir are not a knowledgable honest cricket fan
It's also correct that he's the number 1 bowler by the rankings, and that's a part of his overachievement that's relevant to the thread. Or you can just hijack it.Only it's not pointless. The reason I gave for him being number 1 currently is 100% correct & it's true no knowledgeable honest cricket fan thinks he's anywhere near the number 1 Test bowler in any meaningful respect, so why so typically defensive?
I agreed with the main point that he's a good example for the thread, but when a guy averages 19 at home and 41 away, it doesn't sit all that well to be told with a straight face he's the world number 1 bowler, and perfectly worthwhile to point out in the context.