Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[Burgey]

Could you please show me where did I criticize Bradman? My criticism is on people who think that Bradman has a God-given-right not to be criticized. Now could you point to the post where I said I want to criticize Bradman?

No one has said that. You're making stuff up.

You say he's isn't beyond criticism, then you say you don't criticize him. Well forgive me, but if you want to assert his record should be criticized then say why. You've created a straw man.

But you've had plenty of practice.

 

[GIMH]

Mot of the people (including me) would agree that Bradman is the greatest of batsmen. But my feeling is that if Bradman to play today, would not have averaged 99, but still would be the best batsman my a significanrt margin. The case is more on whether Hammonds and Huttons were better than Laras and Tendulkars. The real comparison lies there. For me I cannot decide, because the game was so different back by then.

This is a reasonable post and just proves you are just trying to stir up **** with some of your other Bradman posts.

 

[Furball]

So what you have done is to post a pile of numbers which assumes that conditions faced by the above players were same. Simply, we have no means to decide whether Hammond's average of 50 or that of Richards' is superior. From what you have posted I get the feeling that you have a zero understanding on statistics.

None of that applies to Bradman.

 

[fredfertang]

Mot of the people (including me) would agree that Bradman is the greatest of batsmen. But my feeling is that if Bradman to play today, would not have averaged 99, but still would be the best batsman my a significanrt margin. The case is more on whether Hammonds and Huttons were better than Laras and Tendulkars. The real comparison lies there. For me I cannot decide, because the game was so different back by then.

For me Hutton is second only to Bradman and well ahead of anyone else - a number of reasons - in summary

1. Never batted on Australian shirtfronts before the war
2. Missed his best years - 24-30 - because of the war
3. Played most of his career (ie after the war) with one arm shorter than the other because of his wartime accident
4. English wickets were generally "sporting" after the war
5. Had to put up with the stress of being England's first professional captain

Still averaged 56 in Tests and 55 overall

 

[Howe_zat]

For me Hutton is second only to Bradman and well ahead of anyone else - a number of reasons - in summary

1. Never batted on Australian shirtfronts before the war
2. Missed his best years - 24-30 - because of the war
3. Played most of his career (ie after the war) with one arm shorter than the other because of his wartime accident
4. English wickets were generally "sporting" after the war
5. Had to put up with the stress of being England's first professional captain

Still averaged 56 in Tests and 55 overall

 

[fredfertang]

....... if he'd been born on t'other side of the Pennines I would probably have committed buffoonery by now

 

[Maximus0723]

For me Hutton is second only to Bradman and well ahead of anyone else - a number of reasons - in summary

1. Never batted on Australian shirtfronts before the war
2. Missed his best years - 24-30 - because of the war
3. Played most of his career (ie after the war) with one arm shorter than the other because of his wartime accident
4. English wickets were generally "sporting" after the war
5. Had to put up with the stress of being England's first professional captain

Still averaged 56 in Tests and 55 overall

Extremely underrated bloke.

 

[bagapath]

Extremely underrated bloke.

no way dude. sir len hutton was highly respected and appreciated by his contemporaries and followers alike. his selection in the espn cricinfo XI underlines the high esteem the cricket community still holds him in. to be selected to open the dream XI along with the master himself above worthy and highly popular candidates like gavaskar, greenidge, barry richards, boycott, hayden, sehwag and sutcliffe is a big honor for him. and no one grumbled about his selection. not even gavaskar.

 

[Maximus0723]

no way dude. sir len hutton was highly respected and appreciated by his contemporaries and followers alike. his selection in the espn cricinfo XI underlines the high esteem the cricket community still holds him in. to be selected to open the dream XI along with the master himself above worthy and highly popular candidates like gavaskar, greenidge, barry richards, boycott, hayden, sehwag and sutcliffe is a big honor for him. and no one grumbled about his selection. not even gavaskar.

nah. I was referring to CW.

 

[sledger]

It's going to be massively lol-worthy if I get infraction points for calling someone a buffoon. I mean if I'd called anyone a **** I could understand it.

These were more or less my thoughts. I was consequently infracted for calling Tendy a Buffoon.

 

[JBH001]

For me Hutton is second only to Bradman and well ahead of anyone else - a number of reasons - in summary

1. Never batted on Australian shirtfronts before the war
2. Missed his best years - 24-30 - because of the war
3. Played most of his career (ie after the war) with one arm shorter than the other because of his wartime accident
4. English wickets were generally "sporting" after the war
5. Had to put up with the stress of being England's first professional captain

Still averaged 56 in Tests and 55 overall

You are a great man, FF.

Hutton always makes my All-Time England XI and many of my All-Time World XI sides. I've always loved technical openers. Although, Hutton was under-rated as a stroke player too, especially in his early years. Hobbs, Hammond and Hutton would, IMO, be the three greatest England bats of all-time.

 

[fredfertang]

These were more or less my thoughts. I was consequently infracted for calling Tendy a Buffoon.

It's getting on for five hours now since I suggested I might be a buffoon myself and I have yet to be infracted - suggests therefore that it may be permissible to openly indulge in self-abuse

 

[vcs]

These were more or less my thoughts. I was consequently infracted for calling Tendy a Buffoon.

The capital 'B' made it look more offensive, TBF.

 

[hang on]

in praise of the buffoon or the buffoon in cricketing history

Atherton 'buffoon' gaffe makes bad day worse - Sport - The Independent

 

[Maximus0723]

uhh, enough with this whole buffoon thing.

 

[pup11]

The latter half of your post is factually incorrect. If we look at the batting averages by decade, we find that averages in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s were just as high, if not higher than the 1990s and 2000s where we had helmets and better bats. This seems to contradict your post.


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Im all for Bradman being far superior than any batsman of his time, but quite frankly you have to question the quality of bowling he was facing if players were averaging that high whilst bowlers were bowling to them on uncovered pitches with little protection, no access to fancy equipment or technology and powerful bats. To blindly accept Bradman as God as people do on this forum based on 4 digits, is quite frankly the most ridiculous argument in any form of sport. Quite clearly he is head and shoulders ahead of any cricketer when you do a comparison with their respective peers, but lets stop fantasizing him as untouchable.

There is one obvious problem with that point though, Bradman' stats during that same phase were much better than any other batsman from that same era who were playing in the same conditions.

Now if you take a look at any other era of the cricket the gulf between performances of the best batsman from that era and the other good batsmen from that era has never been so huge which clearly shows that Sir Don was miles ahead of the rest.

I personally have no problem in anyone wanting to criticise anybody as long as the criticism is justified, but in Bradman's case it seems like people just want to criticise him just becuase they just can't come to terms with the fact that somebody could actually play like that.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Anyone in here that's mentioned Ryan ten Doeschate can go and get ******. What a legend! Should be playing test cricket. Time for a Combined Associate XI to be admitted to test cricket. It'd be half decent!

 

[robelinda]

RTD is one awesome player. Pity he didnt do much in the Big Bash, but is sure already showing his class in the WC.

 

[Prince EWS]

Anyone in here that's mentioned Ryan ten Doeschate can go and get ******. What a legend! Should be playing test cricket. Time for a Combined Associate XI to be admitted to test cricket. It'd be half decent!

I don't think he's over-rated by those who have actually followed his career properly and take things into the proper context; there's no doubt he's a good player who could play ODI cricket for many countries and even Test cricket for a couple.

He is over-rated by those who come across the guy, click on his cricinfo profile and judge him by his inflated career averages in every form of the game. I'm sure there are a legion of cricketers around the traps in strong First Class structures who could average 75+ with the bat playing Intercontinental Cup cricket. His record for Essex is good, especially in one day cricket, and especially in recent times.. but it is not at all representative of what you'd expect from one of the best players in the world like some would have you believe.

It's annoying, because I was a big fan of him, and I really enjoy his success. It seems like the only posts I make about him these days are bringing him down though because people can't grasp the context of his achievements.

 

[Maximus0723]

Sehwag, overrated hax in test cricket.