Players having crazy transformations later in life

[honestbharani]

WI are a decent bowling side in the last few years but they always fall apart dismally when they come to Aus.

Isn't it an obvious fact to anyone who actually follows test cricket across the world that Windies are a decent bowling side only with the Dukes? Or maybe sometimes their seamers are good with the SG too for a spell or too. But never with the Kookaburra. They really seem to need that prominent seam to get it going off the straight.

 

[peterhrt]

Another point about Macartney in 1926 is that he bowled 600 overs on the tour, four times as many as during the dry summer of 1921. In his autobiography he says:

"My contention has always been that every precaution should be taken in choosing a side for England to prepare for a wet season. Therefore the inclusion of a good left-hander [left-arm spinner] can never go amiss. Hornibrook, in my opinion is a good left-hander, and he would have been very useful during the 1926 tour.

I am not remarking on this fact because the tour is over, but because I tried hard for his selection before the team was finally settled. I was the only left-hander in the side, and was therefore called on to bowl rather too much, so that often when my turn came to bat I was too tired to do the side or myself justice."

Macartney was a walker and on occasions was rebuked by teammates, including Trumper, for promptly leaving the crease before the umpire had made a decision.

 

[Starfighter]

Not sure I agree with the revisionism of Voges. Its a fairly common opinion on CW that the WI are crap at batting but their bowling is decent. So while the WI were/are a weak side Voges had to deal with that part of their side that was test class. A roll call of the Kiwi and Carribean bowlers Voges faced in compiling his astonishing run are Southee, Boult, Henry, Bracewell, Santner, Jerome Taylor, Gabriel, Holder, Roach, Bishoo and Warrican. The pace bowlers are all good. The spinners were decentish enough at international level. That's quite a company of bowlers he dominated and his effort shouldn't be talked down.

Ahhhh... you clearly didn't actually watch any of the Australia vs West Indies series in '15-16 then. "Their bowling is okay" is what we all told ourselves before the series but when it came to the event they were astonishingly bad. Roach in particular plumbed depths I didn't think were possible.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not sure I agree with the revisionism of Voges. Its a fairly common opinion on CW that the WI are crap at batting but their bowling is decent. So while the WI were/are a weak side Voges had to deal with that part of their side that was test class. A roll call of the Kiwi and Carribean bowlers Voges faced in compiling his astonishing run are Southee, Boult, Henry, Bracewell, Santner, Jerome Taylor, Gabriel, Holder, Roach, Bishoo and Warrican. The pace bowlers are all good. The spinners were decentish enough at international level. That's quite a company of bowlers he dominated and his effort shouldn't be talked down.

I agree with your overall point but bro the WI attack in the 2015/16 summer barely bowled club standard

 

[the big bambino]

Dudes ... bros. They looked bad cause Voges smashed them. Look at their overall record. That's the sort of standard Voges dominated. Though I will say WI away aren't as good as they are at home but that's across all countries and few of their opponents have done as well as Voges.

 

[TheJediBrah]

My bro, my dude, I watched the whole thing. It's not about their overall record. They bowled real bad in that series. In that Hobart game especially.

 

[social]

I agree with your overall point but bro the WI attack in the 2015/16 summer barely bowled club standard

And have somehow gotten worse

 

[the big bambino]

My bro, my dude, I watched the whole thing. It's not about their overall record. They bowled real bad in that series. In that Hobart game especially.

Maaaaaaaaate! I know but c'mon ... he ripped them, made them bowl bad so should be acknowledged for it.

 

[Nintendo]

Maaaaaaaaate! I know but c'mon ... he ripped them, made them bowl bad so should be acknowledged for it.

Illchay adlay! The windies are a bunch of ogdays over here, vogeswanna smashed much better.

 

[the big bambino]

Illchay adlay! The windies are a bunch of ogdays over here, vogeswanna smashed much better.

Anyway, Voges hill is not a place I’d like to die on.

 

[Isura]

Rohit Sharma

 

[Molehill]

I think it's worth pointing out this Test in regards to Voges.

WI vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Roseau, June 03 - 05, 2015

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, WI vs AUS, Australia tour of West Indies 2015 at Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica dated June 03 - 05, 2015.

www.espncricinfo.com

Yes, in most cases he scored runs on flat tracks when plenty of others cashed in too. But he was head and shoulders above everyone in this Test.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think it's worth pointing out this Test in regards to Voges.

WI vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Roseau, June 03 - 05, 2015

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, WI vs AUS, Australia tour of West Indies 2015 at Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica dated June 03 - 05, 2015.

www.espncricinfo.com

Yes, in most cases he scored runs on flat tracks when plenty of others cashed in too. But he was head and shoulders above everyone in this Test.

. . .

Also his 130* not out on debut was a remarkable innings in very difficult batting conditions that a lot of incredibly accomplished batsman struggled on. I was awed watching it.

 

[The Sean]

I'll always judge Voges for not trolling all of cricket by retiring when his Test average was 96.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He had to get to 20 Tests for it to count

 

[Fuller Pilch]

He had to get to 20 Tests for it to count

20 innings

 

[Molehill]

. . .

Sorry missed that.

 

[The Sean]

He had to get to 20 Tests for it to count

20 innings is the cutoff that a lot of sources like Cricinfo use (I've said before I don't really agree with this) - and at 21 innings his average stood at 95.50.

 

[Ali TT]

Another thing about Voges is that he had a stop start limited over career that had long finished before he was called up to the test side.

 

[andruid]

Ahhhh... you clearly didn't actually watch any of the Australia vs West Indies series in '15-16 then. "Their bowling is okay" is what we all told ourselves before the series but when it came to the event they were astonishingly bad. Roach in particular plumbed depths I didn't think were possible.

Worse than Corey Collymore?