Gob
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Jimmy? you disrespected him a little bit little bit
I was thinking Marnus or Babar ftr
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Placing our bets on "Test Cricket's Young Fab Four"
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I was thinking Marnus or Babar ftr
TheJediBrah
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A bit amused by this though:
Seeming to imply that Smith's superiority is helped by friendlier batting conditions than others, when a simple statsguru search would show that he averages the same away from home as he does at home anyway. Comparison to Sehwag is a head scratcher.
As far as "what Root and KW did in more difficult conditions", well Smith averages 60 in England and 131 in NZ, much better than Root or KW so that's not a thing either
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honestbharani
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You missing the context of any post or the facts around it is never amusing though. Just annoying.
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I don't care much for the substantive debate at hand but this statement is incorrect. It's correct that he is amazing away from home as well but he averages 57 outside Australia and 67 in Australia which is about a ten point gap.
Even if you remove 'neutral' venues like UAE, he still averages 7 more at home which is statistically a fairly decent difference over 77 tests.
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Well spotted, I didn't take into account neutral venues. Just looked at his "away" average (60.15) which was only 1 run less than his career average.
Doesn't change the point, but happy to stand corrected on a minor detail.
If you wanted to pick one or 2 of hese guys that has dominated at home and struggled away it's definitely not Smith (who has the highest away average of all of them), it's Williamson and Kohli. Both average 20 runs more at home than away.
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the big asterisk of a 41 away average and 64 neutral (and 42 in australia, the series where the indian reddit fans first got this asterisk in their heads)
his record should be better in england and india but the hyperfocus on this and not say, kohli being pointless in nz despite hiding at #4 is a development.
williamson is a bit weird in that he's tonned up in all the countries he's been bad in bar SA (4 tests), suggesting he's exceedingly vulnerable early on away from home compared to the average great. maybe his first 25-30 odd tests being patently not test standard is weighing those smaller sample sizes down, but meh it will correct itself unless he's forced into early retirement.
realistically smith won't be overtaken by the fab 3 and certainly not by babar or marnus. babar azam will get dropped, moved around the order to shore up holes, get in fights with the PCB and go through all the usual chaos that prevents pakistani batsmen from scoring runs. plus he's too aggressive. labuschagne just isn't in that league either. he's an excellent batsman but more 45 - 55 average.
smiths just too good. i love how he will just shelve every remotely risky shot sometimes and grind bowlers down before just boofing them to hell when they surrender. kohli doesn't have the patience, williamson and root the self-confidence or ruthlessness.
Burner
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There doesn't have to be any context imo. Smith gets the best batting conditions of the lot. I don't see how that is so contentious. He's also better than the others in all batting conditions. These both statements can be true.
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I mean Root is clearly fourth so not sure why you’re proud of this
NZTailender
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Gob
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Gob
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Never gets old
Shady Slim
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all of the pro joe root crowd are so insecure that whenever he doesn't fail they have to bump all the threads to claim they were right lol
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Certainly they both have/ had dud sides. Root has been part of the dudness for reasonably parts of his career and steered the team into dudness from a position of being non-complete duds though. As opposed to TOTAB who was a shining light and led his team from dudness to respectability and bequeathed a golden generation to his successors.
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honestbharani
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Still think this is how it will end up.Fully agree. If we are lucky, we may see Kohli's Sachin up against Smith's Lara and Root's Ponting with KW's Dravid/ Sanga being the unsung hero. I mean the Chump's already got the one man batting line up thing going for him a few times, a la Lara.
Shady Slim
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no this is true
smith's probably quite better than the others listed and the other three are a tier down
Nintendo
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If you interpret it that way there's definitely an argument to be made. Would argue kholi is in the same tier as some of these guys though, averaging 52 in test cricket even after his rough period, insane conversion rate, multiple dominant series at home and away from home. Root definitely a tier below, though if he keeps this purple patch up for another year or two and hits 10-11k runs at an average around 50 with a good performance in aus this upcoming ashes that could change, kanos a bit of an anomaly due to his questionable away record, but that may very well change after his performance in england during the WTC and a good series in india later this year.
AndyZaltzHair
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Kohli can never be Sachin. He already played more than half of his career