Placing our bets on "Test Cricket's Young Fab Four"

[TheJediBrah]

Ah yes, the infamous opening batsmen having the easiest conditions to bat within.

You bat first, 100 times out of 100 in Australia due to how easy the conditions are until the final day (usually, but even that's dried up out of Aussie cricket)

You have to invent so many narratives to answer as to why Smith relies on big centuries against neutered bowling attacks in easy conditions; It's just not worth arguing, let's see what happens in India, it won't be pretty.

love that this is coming from you

This is literally the dumbest argument I've seen on this forums in a while, what the ****.

literally a week ago we had a guy heavily arguing for hours that the slow and low Australian wickets from India's last tour helped Australia's bowlers more than fast and bouncy wickets would

 

[Blocky]

Yeah actually I think Australia would do okay even if Warner failed every time we had a 200 run first innings lead.

Most of the time you only get the 200 run first innings lead because Warner didn't fail.

Not surprising to me that Warner goes missing for the first time in his test career this season, and Australia have five losses in a row.

 

[cnerd123]

Spark should be infracted for still engaging with the troll and stinking this thread up IMO

This is the kinda **** I expect from TJB. For shame.

 

[TheJediBrah]

LOL

Oh you mean like today where everyone else was striking at 75-80 and he was going along at 55-60 for most of his innings, building to a not out ton.

Not worth the argument. You're like Mark Nicholas.

I was very happy with today. He actually didn't throw it away for once. If he keeps this up he'll be averaging 80+

 

[Spark]

Most of the time you only get the 200 run first innings lead because Warner didn't fail.

Not surprising to me that Warner goes missing for the first time in his test career this season, and Australia have five losses in a row.

Really? You sure about this?

 

[Zinzan]

This is such lazy analysis and I expect a lot better from CWers tbh.

It was just one analysis, and I don't think it's a bad one to look at how batters have performed against the top 5 sides.

You're reacting like it's the only one, we always provide several different angles all the time. Ironically, the fact the place is so full of knowledgeable thoughtful posters, means we tend to get better & more comprehensive analysis here than almost anywhere else since people often play devils advocate, so it's strange for you to pick one and act like anyone was implying that it's 'the one'.

 

[Blocky]

Let's see, I'm said to have invalid arguments because

1. I point out Smith's average is heavily reliant on a very good tendency to score big centuries and make starts count
2. I point out Smith goes missing in third/fourth innings and that's a big reason as to why his side isn't performing well
3. I point out Warner is far stronger at batting in the final innings of the match and pushing towards victories.
4. I point out that Smith struggles when conditions don't suit him, and has more non-starts than any of the other four listed.
5. I point out Smith hasn't actually had that many innings offshore therefore talking about his average overseas is meaningless.

Sure, all of the above is meaningless next to

"Smith is amazing because we say so"

 

[Blocky]

Really? You sure about this?

Considering this is Warner's worst year and one of Smith's best years and Australia have been completely **** against challenging teams, yeah, pretty sure.

 

[Blocky]

Let's revisit this after Australia's series loss in India and Smith's failures.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Spark should be infracted for still engaging with the troll and stinking this thread up IMO

This is the kinda **** I expect from TJB. For shame.

And this after he himself pointed out how pointless it is to engage with blocky. Why, spark?

 

[Spark]

And this after he himself pointed out how pointless it is to engage with blocky. Why, spark?

waiting half an hour for someone to get their **** together so you can go out leaves you with not much to do

 

[Blocky]

The mere fact that you all protest so much for me only having him as the fifth best in the world makes me laugh too. You might as well go sit with Mark Nicholas and pretend that this side is a patch on the Taylor/Waugh/Punter era's.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Steve Smith's average in 1st & 2nd innings of victorious match: 94.95
David Warner's average in 1st & 2nd innings of victorious match: 47.03

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

EDIT: changed to mention that it was in a match won.

 

[cnerd123]

waiting half an hour for someone to get their **** together so you can go out leaves you with not much to do

Should report this as a confession of stinking up the forum for your own enjoyment

 

[Blocky]

Steve Smith's average in 1st & 2nd innings of victorious match: 94.95
David Warner's average in 1st & 2nd innings of victorious match: 47.03

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

EDIT: changed to mention that it was in a match won.

Yet tellingly, no third/fourth innings centuries by Smith, even in victories.
Where as Warner has six.

Australia have lost 20 matches during the Smith era, and if you only include against other Top 5 sides, they're losing as much as they win.

India at home and the West Indies inflates this current team so much.

 

[Zinzan]

Spark should be infracted for still engaging with the troll and stinking this thread up IMO

This is the kinda **** I expect from TJB. For shame.

Jeez mate, seriously grow up would you. Whether they're agreeing or not, or you agree with the logic of the arguments or not, they're actually debating cricket. What are you doing? Talking about trolling and infractions in cricket chat? . Why don't you save that carry-on for the site discussion forum and allow people to disagree and debate all they like about cricketing matters in here?

 

[cnerd123]

What are you doing? Talking about trolling and infractions in cricket chat?

Yea I'm meta like that

 

[Burgey]

Some awful junk posting in this thread since my last wonderful contribution.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Should report this as a confession of stinking up the forum for your own enjoyment

wait is that frowned upon?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Let's see, I'm said to have invalid arguments because

1. I point out Smith's average is heavily reliant on a very good tendency to score big centuries and make starts count **true, but a point in Smith's favor if anything**
2. I point out Smith goes missing in third/fourth innings and that's a big reason as to why his side isn't performing well **he gets tired from making 150 every first innings tbf**
3. I point out Warner is far stronger at batting in the final innings of the match and pushing towards victories. **ie. downhill skiing**
4. I point out that Smith struggles when conditions don't suit him, and has more non-starts than any of the other four listed.**patently false**
5. I point out Smith hasn't actually had that many innings offshore therefore talking about his average overseas is meaningless. **patently false**

Sure, all of the above is meaningless next to

"Smith is amazing because we say so"

yeah