From memory, De Silva actually bowled a fair bit during the first 15 with fielding restrictions in that series; and overall had quite a mixed time with the ball. A couple of games he was really effective, and in a couple of others he got a touch-up (as can be the way as a part timer).
I am not arguing that flight is a better way to get people out than turn. I am just saying that the ability to be a good flighter of the ball has its own advantages, esp. in the limited overs format, even if you cannot turn the ball. The only proviso is you should be able to be consistent with it. It will always help one get wickets or atleast block runs to an extent. Didn't Dinesh Mongia have the best economy rate in the English Twenty20 at one point?
yeah he did. That was by courtesy of bowling very flat and full, though, not by throwing it up.
Daniel Vettori?Haha
Obviously, if you're bowling Full-Tosses, Long-Hops and Half-Volleys, a very flighted ball is the same as a very flat one. Accuracy is a basic prerequistite for success (economy-rate-wise) in ODIs.
Nonetheless, I see enough evidence that a bowler with skill of flight but without enough spin to turn the ball on all surfaces will struggle on non-spin-receptive surfaces. In both ODIs and Tests.
Then you must be able to accept the idea of bowlers being able to be effective in his mould which is what most people are implying? (Though I don't feel there is a bowler in international cricket that can match his flight deviations.)
He looks handy but hardly a match winner for me, when used in tandem with Chawla I feel makes him more effective as choking the score so often does. He's also a very brave bowler, keeps it up even when he's been hit, which is probably the best display of guile he can have, most batsman wouldn't expect it (though if he does this EVERYTIME, then they will), verdicts out for me, he's shown some potential but I don't see him ever being a match winner.
I don't think anyone ever said he is a match winner here. Richard was implying that he won't be any good at all (or any spinner who has good flight) which is what we are refuting here. That is all....
Was just noting my opinion on him in that regard
Heavens, I've not once said flighted < flat. I've just said that flight without turn is little use (and yes, sometimes worse than bowling flat).
Powar gets more turn than any finger spinner I've seen. He has a reputation for flighting it because it's so different; it's rare for bowlers to flight it much these days, especially in one days games, and certainly not as much as Powar. He turns the ball more than any finger spinner currently in world cricket from what I've seen, and that is partly due to his flight. Obviously, if you get the ball up above the batsman's eyeline and then back down quickly, you'll get more revolutions on the ball and, in turn, spin it more. He turned the ball significantly more than Panesar throughout the one day series and turned the ball more than Chawla when there was something there for him in one of the games as well (sorry, I don't actually recall which one it was).
Are you serious? Powar spins it more than a lot of leg spinners (certainly more than Chawla).
Considering he is bowling against Indian batsman, traditionally the best players of spin in the world, and bowling on the flat Indian pitches I think 4.6 is an okay economy rate, particularly when coupled with a good strike rate.