Pick your XI

[Mr. P]

if bichels competing with Anderson and Hoggard he'd win anyway. certainly against hoggard, at least.

 

[marc71178]

Mental note to marc: Bichel got 7/20 against England, in the world cup, probably spell of the tourny.

Relevance to Test Cricket?

 

[Eclipse]

Who says Slater cant bat at Number 3?? If he could avrage 45 odd as an oppener he could surley do well at number 3.

As For Hussey well he has batted as an opener most of his carear but he has also been succsesfull batting as far down as number six.

Marc a good batsman is a good batsman and they can genrally do well were ever they bat.

 

[Mr. P]

Bichel has played many games of test cricket before. from 15 games he has a average of 31 and batting average of 19. In comparison, Hoggard has an average of 33 and bats at an average of 7.

 

[Eclipse]

Bichel has played many games of test cricket before. from 15 games he has a average of 31 and batting average of 19. In comparison, Hoggard has an average of 33 and bats at an average of 7.

That and Bichel's avrage has been close to 25 over the last 2 years.

And as a batsman his avrage is only going to go up because of the work he has done on his batting it's so much better in all aspects than it was 12 monthes ago.

 

[hourn]

the oh-no XI (a bit late but anyway)

Matt Horne
Stuart Williams
Robert Key
Mark Ramprakash
Lou Vincent
Agit Agarkar
James Foster
Richard Dawson
Pedro Collins
Steve Harmison
Charl Langeveldt


The Should be XI

Saeed Anwar
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Michael Clarke
Graham Thorpe
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Lance Klusener
Carlton Baugh
Saqlain Mushtaq
Nantie Hayward
Henry Olonga
Reon King

Fill in the opener and number 5 batsmen when i get my thinking cap on a bit more

 

[marc71178]

Who says Slater cant bat at Number 3?? If he could avrage 45 odd as an oppener he could surley do well at number 3.

Firstly, he wouldn't get in the team at number 3 as Butcher is averaging 45 since he moved there.

Secondly, there's a difference between opening and batting 3, and there's no guarantee of success transferring.

 

[Langeveldt]

What has Charl langeveldt done so drastically wrong, he has hardly played? Otherwise that eleven seems a good one/or bad one whichever way you look at it...

Stick Robin Peterson in there who doesnt look like being able to breach a paper bag...

 

[marc71178]

To be fair, Langeveldt did bowl a lot of cack today.

 

[Eclipse]

Firstly, he wouldn't get in the team at number 3 as Butcher is averaging 45 since he moved there.

Secondly, there's a difference between opening and batting 3, and there's no guarantee of success transferring.

Yeah you may be right but Slater is the better batsman and usualy selectors pick the 11 best players and decide on positions after.

If I had no player's in my team and somone offerd me Slater or Butcher I know who I would choose.

 

[Craig]

I wont name an XI, but I will give a group of players I think are substandard in Tests:

Robert Key (even though I do rate him), Ashley Giles, Richard Dawson (simply the worst spinner I have seen), Justin Ontong, Marlon Sammuels, Stuart Williams, Junior Murrary, Simon Jones, Andrew Flintoff, Brett Lee, Misbah ul-Haq, Dion Ebraham, Sean Ervine, Andy Blignaut, Brooke Walker, Raymond Price, Devon Smith, David Bernard, Carlton Baugh, Tino Best, Pedro Collins, Mark Vermulan.

Take your XI out of that group and please, we have debated Brett Lee in the past, my thoughts on him are known, so we can we please stay off him.

 

[Mr. P]

jones and not harmison? you gotta be kidding

 

[marc71178]

I'm shocked to see Ashley Giles in there - I wonder if any of the other English-based people saw the interview with him on Saturday before play.

 

[Mr. P]

what'd he say?

 

[Craig]

Why? Giles is hopeless, he is a finger spinner that wont turn the ball on none turning wickets and has a poor average and strike rate. He rarely troubles batsmen.

Jones and Harmison have problems with accuracy in both form of the game, I have seen every Jones Test match, and he does have a poor average in FC cricket.

Harmison has a problem with seam position and spraying the ball down the leg side.

Sorry I forgot about Harmison to that list.

 

[age_master]

ok lets look at the English lineup for this test

Tresco
Vaughan
Butcher
Hussain
McGrath
Stewart
flintoff
giles
Gough
Harmison
Anderson

Giles vs Macgill - No contest, Giles has a test strike rate or 90.8 and economy of 2.51 - Macgill has a strike rate of 54 and economy of 3 - one of the top strike rates in Australian test cricket history, no contest


Slater vs Tresco - Tresco averages 40.61 woth a SR of 51 and Slater averaged 42.83 at a SR of 53, slaters got the slightly better record there too

and well we have seen Harmison down here and yep, bichels a hell of alot better than him.

as for Katich, Hussey and Clarke, most people down here would pick them ahead of Hussain and Butcher. a quick look at first class stats (Katich and Hussey) scored in better competition shows a fairly big lead to the Aussies, Hussey has also made 2 triples (in england) and Katich is a descant bowler - steve rixon rates him as 2nd best in the state - and only to Macgill

 

[Rik]

I have seen every Jones Test match, and he does have a poor average in FC cricket

He's certainly not substandard...India have one of the strongest batting lineups in the world and he also got Langer out pretty quickly before he did his knee in. That poor average is due to a poor start to his career when he had not sorted out his action or run-up, it bares no significance now. In fact, just to prove it means nothing, he was averaging in the mid 20s with the ball in FC cricket last season, and ripped the heart out of a few middle orders to boot.

 

[Rik]

Age...why is there this current need to compare the England and Australia players? Even I would want Harmison playing if it ment Bichel would play, simply because all the players you have picked are AUSTRALIAN and this is ENGLAND. It would never work, it's got no relevence, so don't bother.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

as for Katich, Hussey and Clarke, most people down here would pick them ahead of Hussain and Butcher. a quick look at first class stats (Katich and Hussey) scored in better competition shows a fairly big lead to the Aussies, Hussey has also made 2 triples (in england) and Katich is a descant bowler - steve rixon rates him as 2nd best in the state - and only to Macgill

Butcher has averaged well over 40 since being reinstated to the Test side which merits a place.

Also, do Katich, Hussey and Clarke possess superb captaincy skills? I don't see a reason to assume so as yet, but Hussain does. He's not a top-class batsman, Hussain, but he's a fine captain.

 

[marc71178]

what'd he say?

He was upset about the criticism he received in the Natwest, explaining his line was decided with Duncan Fletcher and they both thought of it as an ideal line for One Day Cricket.

He was frank and honest in his admission that he wasn't a World Class Spinner etc.