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Pathan has come of age!

Magrat Garlick

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
vic_orthdox said:
8th? :huh: Or is that in ODI?
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Yep.

Plus it's 12th best bowler, since GIB doesn't count spinners, and it's also behind Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, which probably suggests that the rankings are moot from his point of view :p
 
Zinzan

Zinzan

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tooextracool said:
actually when ambrose came to england in 2000, he moved the ball of the seam so much that the batsmen had no chance of playing him whatsoever. but it also meant that they had not chance of getting out to him either.
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Agree I remember several spells from Ambrose where he consistently seamed the ball too much to take the outside edge
 
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GladiatrsInBlue

Banned
Samuel_Vimes said:
Yep.

Plus it's 12th best bowler, since GIB doesn't count spinners, and it's also behind Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, which probably suggests that the rankings are moot from his point of view :p
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Rana Naveed is not ranked higher than IKP in test ranking.

Rana Naveed isn't capable enough to be ranked atall!
 
Shoaib

Shoaib

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GladiatrsInBlue said:
Rana Naveed isn't capable enough to be ranked atall!
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And Irfan Pathan deserves to be at the top of test rankings because of his performance against weaker sides?Doesn't he?
 
Magrat Garlick

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
vic_orthdox said:
Nah, Pathan was 10th in the figures that Pratyush quoted, anyways.
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Oops. My mistake - I just couldn't fathom that someone with a Test average of 47 against non-Bangladesh/Zimbabwe teams was ranked tenth. :sleep:
 
Shoaib

Shoaib

Banned
GladiatrsInBlue said:
Rana Naveed is not ranked higher than IKP in test ranking.
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Thats only because he hasn't yet got the chance to play against Zimbabwe & Bangladesh to lower his average.
 
shaka

shaka

International Regular
80 odd batting at 3 for India v SL. Interesting, has been showing signs of becoming a good allrounder for a while now.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
C_C said:
If you've actually bothered seeing Akram through the bulk of his career like I have ( watched almost every single game he's played since 1990 onwards), you'd realise that he swung the ball in 9 outta 10 times - which is pretty much far more than any other swinger and which is why Akram is credited as the best swing bowler in the history of cricket..
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you can keep saying it all you want, its not going to make your claims look any better. ive watched an extremely large part of akrams career, and i can ascertain that he swung the ball only when he got the conditions to do so. akram is credited as the best swing bowler in the histroy because he could swing the ball both ways and get the ball to reverse which is very very rare.

C_C said:
Just like Kumble isnt a big spinner of the ball ala Warne because he doesnt actually move the ball as much , Ambrose or McGrath arnt big seamers of the ball because they dont move the ball as much.
Which is pretty much what i said in the first place - they are not big seamers or reliant on seam movement.
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except for the fact that both ambrose and mcgrath seam(ed) the ball a lot during their careers.

C_C said:
First, i am a random person to you. I am not a 'random person' to Akram. Keep that in mind and do have the common sense or humility to shut up instead of hypothesising despite someone saying to you that the player actually said so n so.
You have no reason to doubt my word anymore than reason to doubt ArchieMac's word that he's played against pros, apart from your inherent caustic attitude towards me.
So i suggest you shut up and if you ever get to meet Akram, ask him about the tour of OZ.
Akram wanted to flat out like he did in the mid 80s against WI against Viv and co. Simple as that.
He didnt wanna do things differently and indeed, didnt swing the ball much till the latter parts of the ODI series..
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this is quite a joke, and instead of making a legend look foolish, you'd do better to not make things up. akram himself has said plenty of times that pace on its own doesnt get wickets and i find it amusing that he would try to do just that in australia when there was clearly no seam movement. and really it couldnt be more unlikely that wasim akram confided in you exactly why he failed on the tour to australia.



C_C said:
The one that trapped Inzy didnt swing one IOTA - it seamed off the pitch and got Inzy.
Simple as that.
I think you are confusing between swing and seam.
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any fool can diffrentiate between seam and swing. and it couldnt be more obvious that the ball swung instead of seamed.




C_C said:
Au contraire.
Swing is movement in the air, seam is movement off the pitch.
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thanks for the tip, captain obvious.

C_C said:
Learn to differentiate between the two - the one that Pollock bowled to Inzy was a delivery that did nothing in the air, pitched and swung in - it was SEAM movement.
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and im about as certain as possible that the ball moved in the air and came back into inzy.

C_C said:
And no, Craigh White was not a reverse swing bowler of any note. he had late swing and the most common mistake in cricket is confusing reverse swing for late swing. Its not rare to see on tv the commentators talking about the 'one that reversed' when there is no reverse movement on the ball in slow-mo and is just late movement.
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and you can see the ball move in the air towards the shiny side to ascertain that it is reverse swing. which craig white did plenty of times on the tour to pakistan.

C_C said:
Ambrose and McGrath are bigtime line and length bowlers with unnerving bounce and subtle variations.
They are/were neither swingers or seamers of any note.
Just like Kumble is not a big turner of the ball, Ambrose and McGrath arnt big swingers of the ball.
Try and learn the difference.
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ive never claimed that ambrose and mcgrath were swingers of note, although both of them did swing the ball occasionally. but anyone whos watched even a slight bit of ambrose or mcgrath would know that they are big seamers of the ball, as such anyone who can land the ball on the seam consistently will seam the ball a fair bit.
 
shaka

shaka

International Regular
couple of good performances by Pathan so far in the series v SL. made some runs and got a few wickets. He is becoming a force in ODI's and test cricket.
 
Zinzan

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shaka said:
couple of good performances by Pathan so far in the series v SL. made some runs and got a few wickets. He is becoming a force in ODI's and test cricket.
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He has had quite a good series to date although I did notice he's been by far the most expensive of the main Indian bowlers in the series so far.
 
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GladiatrsInBlue

Banned
zinzan12 said:
He has had quite a good series to date although I did notice he's been by far the most expensive of the main Indian bowlers in the series so far.
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THe guy is pure gold, he now the "hero" of Indian team !!

The IKP-bashers might still not be deflated, for that to happen IKP should continue to carry on the good work for considerable amount of time, after which even the most stubborn IKP basher( i have one in mind :-O ) will be forced to admit that IKP is just brilliant :D
 
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