Pakistan will always be Pakistan

[tooextracool]

FYI, shoaib malik began his career as a bowler, who could bat a bit. Now he is an excellent all rounder. Looking at career stats will show less favourable stats to him, but if you look at his stats for the past 2 years, you will see what i'm talking about

shoaib malik bowling average of 42 and 126 in 03 and 04 respectively?
hes not a test class bowler, he might be a test class batsman but kamal is top drawer.

 

[Richard]

I thought that was article was serious when i first started reading it.

So did I.
I first found it incredulous about the pizza, then once it got to Bob and the pizza the penny dropped.

 

[Richard]

and yes, i realise malik hasn't done much at test level, but he is still imo in their top 4 batsman

Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered 8 372 59 37.20 0 2 8 4/42 52.12 0 4 0
filtered 5 338 59 48.28 0 2 6 4/42 51.50 0 3 0

so his last 5 tests, he averages 48.28, which is pretty impressive.

as i said, he's rapidly improviing

Wow, 5 whole Tests - that's over half his career, as you can see.
5 Tests is nothing with such a poor First-Class average, which is actually no better of late than ever.

 

[Richard]

you obviously know nothing about pakistani cricket if you think that's how the selectors think.

It may be how you think, but the selectors think very differently to you. There is no way in hell that they think kamal a better batsman than yousuf youhana.

No, they don't, and it's a damn shame, because it means that Youhana, whose average against Sri Lanka, Australia, South Africa and England in England is 24.73, is somehow considered better than Kamal, who has performed very well whenever given a remotely decent chance (ie he hasn't done well in his single Tests against SL and WI).
Even while Kamal has played just 10 Tests to Youhana's 54, their averages (when Youhana's Bangladesh games are removed) are equal and, to date, Youhana is a proven failure against the more challenging attacks while gorging himself on the poorer ones.

 

[Richard]

yes i believe he's been harshly treated. and has performed whenever called upon, but the pakistani selectors view shoaib malik as a more important cog in the pakistani batting, than kamal.

Really? How do you know this, then?
I mean, I know Pakistan's selectors are more muddled than most, but to consider Malik a better Test batsman than Kamal is more than stupid, it's beyond belief.

FYI, shoaib malik began his career as a bowler, who could bat a bit. Now he is an excellent all rounder. Looking at career stats will show less favourable stats to him, but if you look at his stats for the past 2 years, you will see what i'm talking about

I'm perfectly aware of Shoaib's career pattern. Fact is, he could always bat in the one-day game and always did well in ODIs when given a chance at the top of the order. On the other hand, he's never been much of a batsman in the First-Class game and certainly isn't a Test or ODI-standard bowler on non-turning wickets.

 

[C_C]

Kamal can turn out to be a class batsman. He is quiete solid and composed in his approach.
However, i think the preference of Malik over Kamal has little to do with batting and has everything to do with overall team balance.
Pakistan of late has been a one horse bowling team dependent on Akhtar (Kaneria is still a newbie) and the addition of Malik's spin does give them some extra bowling options over Kamal.
However, IMO, pakistan's middle order should be composed of Khan-Inzy-Youhana-Kamal if the Pakistani selectors get their heads screwerd right and focus on batting.

 

[Richard]

(Kaneria is still a newbie)

Please explain how someone who has played Tests for 4 and a half years and in the time bowled 1275 overs is a newbie?
He's still not bowling as well as I think he could bowl, no, but he's far from a newbie.

 

[cricket player]

I read a report in the Deccan Chronicle today about some problems within the Pakistani camp. Apparently, when Younis Khan told AFridi that he was opening in this test, he only answered "yes" halfheartedly. And then, when the Windies were bowled out in the first day, Afridi came in and asked Yasir Hameed to pad up. Maybe he felt that with only 4 overs to go, Hameed opening was better. But when Younis learned of this, he was peeved and apparently had strong words with Afridi and asked him to pad up and open. Afridi did so. But after stumps, he came in and complained to Inzy about Younis and Inzy was, for some reason, angry at Younis too. AFridi apparently pulled Younis off the shower to have words with him and soon Inzy joined him. Younis was apparently upset that Inzy was supporting Afridi, who was actually misbehaving by not listening to the captain's instructions. Younis apparently even told INzy that he knew that Inzy was the captain but since Younis was the captain for this match, he was going to do things his way and there was nothing Inzy could do about it. Apparently, it had a big impact on the other players and may have resulted in the pathetic batting display that followed.

Quote pakistan will always remain pakistan.

So You are suggesting that every pakistani in pakistan have the same atitude as Younis khan and Shahid Afridi?

Nice news but not a good thread name better of closing it.

 

[deeps]

honestbharani, you still haven't given a source.

 

[honestbharani]

Didn't u read the first line of my post? "The Deccan Chronicle". It is a daily in South India. BTW, the Pakistan team manager himself has confirmed that this happened and although, they have underplayed it saying that it is under control, it seems Younis is all set to lose his vice-captaincy because of this. I am sorry if this hurts all you Pak supporters here, but it seems to be true. It was reported in yesterday's Sportsline and Sportscentre shows on ESPN-Star Sports as well as in all the other dailies today.


BTW, it seems interesting that Younis is going to be the one who pays for this. I think Afridi should be the one who should be punished for going against captain's instructions and going as far as asking Hameed to pad up, as if Afridi were the captain. But it seems Inzy favours Afridi and Younis is pretty much set to lose his Vice Captaincy. (This has been reported in all 3 dailies that I buy and in ESPN-Star's sportscentre.)

 

[honestbharani]

Quote pakistan will always remain pakistan.

So You are suggesting that every pakistani in pakistan have the same atitude as Younis khan and Shahid Afridi?

Nice news but not a good thread name better of closing it.

No, I am just saying that inspite of all their talent, they always seem to have this self destructive streak. For the record, I am a fan of the Pakistan side too and it actually hurts me to see them doing all this just when they seem to be jelling together as a good unit.

 

[Beleg]

The story seems to be true. The News, one of the most respect Pakistani english daily's posted it in their Sunday Edition.

 

[Richard]

No, I am just saying that inspite of all their talent, they always seem to have this self destructive streak.

And even without the talent they still have the self-destructive streak.

 

[Richard]

Quote pakistan will always remain pakistan.

So You are suggesting that every pakistani in pakistan have the same atitude as Younis khan and Shahid Afridi?

Nice news but not a good thread name better of closing it.

I really think you should think about the poster of the article before making silly attacks like this.
hbh has never, ever been one of those laugh-at-whatever-goes-wrong-for-Pakistan Indians.

 

[honestbharani]

Apparently, everyone involved in this incident have been let off with a severe warning. It seems Afridi was especially warned and has actually apologised for his behaviour. Nice to see some sense prevail there, because I still think Afridi was wrong to have done what he did, whether or not he accepted the captain's decision. Inzy has said that he has no problems with Younis and that it was just a misunderstanding. Seems Younis could still lose his vice-captaincy or actually quit the post. Either way, it is sad because I have always felt Younis was great captaincy potential.

 

[honestbharani]

Didn't u read the first line of my post? "The Deccan Chronicle". It is a daily in South India. BTW, the Pakistan team manager himself has confirmed that this happened and although, they have underplayed it saying that it is under control, it seems Younis is all set to lose his vice-captaincy because of this. I am sorry if this hurts all you Pak supporters here, but it seems to be true. It was reported in yesterday's Sportsline and Sportscentre shows on ESPN-Star Sports as well as in all the other dailies today.


BTW, it seems interesting that Younis is going to be the one who pays for this. I think Afridi should be the one who should be punished for going against captain's instructions and going as far as asking Hameed to pad up, as if Afridi were the captain. But it seems Inzy favours Afridi and Younis is pretty much set to lose his Vice Captaincy. (This has been reported in all 3 dailies that I buy and in ESPN-Star's sportscentre.)

It all started in 2005, I guess...

 

[Xuhaib]

It all started in 2005, I guess...

Its incredible to think that a guy like Inzi who was considered mentally slow and not suitable for any mentoring was able to glue them and make them work as a team.Things have fallen apart since he left and has not been helped by the fact that the top administration has been the most dire in our cricket history.

All pretty depressing sadly.

 

[honestbharani]

Its incredible to think that a guy like Inzi who was considered mentally slow and not suitable for any mentoring was able to glue them and make them work as a team.Things have fallen apart since he left and has not been helped by the fact that the top administration has been the most dire in our cricket history.

All pretty depressing sadly.

yeah.. get the feeling that things got to a head when Inzy started taking sides, as he seems to have done during this incident...


Just get the feeling quite a few in the Pak dressing room just didn't want Younis to succeed, ever...

 

[Xuhaib]

yeah.. get the feeling that things got to a head when Inzy started taking sides, as he seems to have done during this incident...


Just get the feeling quite a few in the Pak dressing room just didn't want Younis to succeed, ever...

Inzi and Younis never got along they had a big bust up in the 2003 WC it was only once Woolmer became the coach did he became a major player as Woolmer loved his approach of wearing his heart on the sleeve.

In the current setup i don't think anyone in the team barring Malik will object him yes he has had problems with Afridi in the past but they are both Pathans who are known to have strong loyalties with their own community also Afridi knows the batting line up needs Younis and for the matter Yousuf.

Younis problems at the moment are with the management mainly the Chairman and his buddy team manager Yawar Saeed who wants him to apologize to get the pardon which in it self is as ridiculous as the banning and unbanning.I expect Younis to be back for the England tests once Malik and Hameed's get roosted by Johnson and co.

 

[Faisal1985]

Recently Afridi has said that their were disciplinary issues as well with YK...

I just think that YK and Mo Yo are the latest victims of PCB and the nepotism of this organization. It just boils my blood to see Malik and Farhat in that line up....Asim Kamal can easily play in that position and Hameed could open instead of Farhat.....its simply ridiculous.