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Packer Vs. Dalmiya
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C_C
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Yes but that is not relevant to the discussion of who had more impact for what you state is simply a matter of chronology and espouses the view that chronological precedence equals to higher impact. By that logic, the guy who invented the see-saw is a bigger genuis than the guy who invented a car, the guy who invented the wheel is a bigger genius than anyone else after him, etc etc.marc71178 said:
Being a pioneer in a field doesnt automatically make you the brightest icon in the said field.
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HK, Sing Sharjah were set up years ago and successful tournaments have been run in those countries for almost as long.C_C said:On a strictly amatuer level- and i dont recall the british EVER introducing cricket at Sharjah.
Dalmiya made them not only into commercially sustainable venues but also helped set up the basic governance of cricket in an organised fashion there.
Sharjah isnt lost-its just blackballed currently due to matchfixing controversy. Suffice to say, cricket will be back there.
Cricket is ICC, just as football is FIFA, hockey is NHL and tennis is ATP/WTA.
Yeah. They just play on the beach.
The setup and logistics of which, FYI, was done by Dalmiya. He was the organiser for it- and organisers are the one who deserve most of the credit.
Again- half truths. The stadium at Bassejeur was helped largely by the BCCI in logistics.
Categorically false. Most of the funding in infrastructure construction has come from the ICC- which gets it from India and the it was set up by -you guessed it - Dalmiya.
Both Brian Lara stadium and the new stadium in Guyana are being helped logistically by BCCI and funded by Indian construction companies- a shotlist put together by Dalmiya no less.
You know f-all about PPP if you think real-estate market is the benchmark for it. And no, prices of most other items in the consumer market have not gone up 1000% in the last 30 years in the western world.
No- cricketers have Packer to thank for making them merely self sufficient. They have Dalmiya to thank for commercialising cricket- Packer didnt commercialise cricket- that is a myth. He just hijacked cricket and made a lotta dosh out of it. But players were NOT millionaires or having endorsements left right and center for long after Packer was gone.
That was facilitated by Dalmiya.
Land for the cricket pitch was originally allocated by local Sheikh (had to be, foreigner couldnt own it at the time) but organisation was done by an expat Brit
ICC is not cricket, it is a body that has been set up by the stakeholders to manage the affairs of the game and, largely since Dalmiya's tenure, generally does a pretty good job
However, if it were disbanded tomorrrow, another organisation would take it's place. In the meantime, cricket would continue as per normal except for the legal ramifications of ownership rights to major tournaments etc
Dubai has NO cricket fields of any significance - well organised competitions are played in the equivalent of the local park (I do live there for 90% of the year you know)
However, as part of a development known as Dubai Sports City, a plethora of massive stadiums are being built but, in reality, these are as much selling points for the development and the region as an expansion of sport in the area.
The ICC SHOULD contribute logistics expertise to the WC - they are one of the world's leading event managers and the WC is their primary source of income
Indian construction companies might be doing some of the work but they arent doing it for free and the ICC, according to their accounts, has not put it's hand in it's pocket in any way shape or form nor have they guaranteed payment of contracts. Good on Dalmiya for setting up the contacts but dont make it sound like this a hand-out organised by the ICC.
Packer/Dalmiya, whatever - I suggest that you do your homework on the prevailing circumstances in the 70s as you might then begin to grasp the significance of the events that took place at that time.
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It's a weird argument for mine, because you're comparing the effect of one guy who made decisions that affected cricket for the best part of 25 years in Dalmiya, to a man whom really only made one, albeit fairly influential, decision about cricket.
C_C
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Quite correct- they were set up years ago- in the 80s and early 90s - under Dalmiya's initiative. His work didnt just begin in the mid 90s when he became ICC head.
I do and i have. And i find Packer's reputation to be massively inflated due to nationalistic and ethnic pride. Otherwise, he is nothing more than a Don King - a promoter who did nothing substantial for the game, its players and its development beyond mostly cosmetic facelifts and its insulting to Dalmiya to rate Packer ahead- given that Dalmiya's contribution is far more substantial at all levels - developmental, player support and finance of cricket.
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HKCC Kowloon CC and Sing CC have been around for decades longer than that and their fortunes have been secure since day dot as they flourished initially under colonial largesse and then from expat company fundingC_C said:
Where the ICC under Dalmiya has afforded benefit to centres like these is in providing an outlet for the players by way of smaller competitions between themselves and qualifying rounds for WCs etc
Sharjah is an altogether different case as it was basically purpose built for cricket festivals and the like. Until recently, the UAE has not had a substantial wealthy expat community nor has it been a financial hub like the others to rely on for support.
However, I've got no doubt that it could quickly become a force in cricket at least the equal of Zimbabwe as it now has a massive expat community from cricket-loving nations and the facilities will be world-class.
Packer's rep has nothing to do with nationalistic and/or ethnic pride - I think you'll find that WI and players from the sub-continent held him in similar regard to many, but not all, Australians, Englishmen and white South Africans.
Like Dalmiya has found throughout his career (and particularly at present, given the attacks he is suffering from within), architects of change are not always appreciated at the time
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One day cricket was popular in India BEFORE Dalmiya - since they won the 1983 WC. And if I'm right it was when SA came to India in 1991 that the Indian TV boom started - when SA TV offered the Indian board money for the TV rights. Before that (and if I'm wrong I'm sure I'll be told) did India's equivalent of the BBC not pay the Indian board even one rupee to cover cricket? My point is that Dalmiya took advantage of a situation - had he been around in the 1980s he couldn't have. And I still say his spell at ther ICC was a disaster.
