Flem274*
123/5
I know, but if he only plays ODIs like Styris then he *might* get treated like Styris.
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Oram to retire
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Athlai
Not Terrible
Taylor-4
Elliott-5
Vettori may take up the 6 spot, Franklin sticking at 7. Could see the end of Oram in the similar manner. Styris has a shot at taking the number 3 spot but Oram? never
Zinzan
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Fair point in that the core of our 1980's side all played well into their mid-30s.Another NZ player having to give it away in their early 30s.
Has happenned all to regularly to our best players over the past 15 years
That said, In Oram's case it's likely his main consideration would've been to ensure his body keeps sufficiently to allow him to play at least another 3 years of IPL.
Given how injury prone he's been oover the years, one can't really blame him.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
If one was unpleasant enough, one could actually blame NZ Cricket for Oram's early retirement. It was the NZC Academy coaches who saw Oram's bowling potential and basically turned him from a very occasional part-timer at club/first-class level into a test seamer, despite his frame never looking all that comfortable with bowling in general.
Flem274*
123/5
Yeah I agree it would be a bit unfair to blame NZC. If Oram couldn't bowl, he wouldn't have played ODIs for long (look how long he averaged in the teens) and not many tests either. Its only speculation of course but if he'd been a specialist batsman he probably would have batted in the top five, had his deficiencies discovered faster and flopped.
For a guy who never was a bowler, he was a pretty good one.
For a guy who never was a bowler, he was a pretty good one.
Howsie
International Captain
For sure, his average was under 30 for a long long time (well years anyway, he didn't really play that many test matches).
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
Bollocks. He would have had a lot more time to work on his batting - and bear in mind he was useful enough as a youngster to average in the 40s in the late 1990s.
And I don't recall saying he "never was a bowler". Putting words in my mouth is a really classy form of debate.
Flem274*
123/5
Calm down, I wasn't ever saying you did think he wasn't a bowler. Way to "put words in my mouth."
He would have had a lot more time to sure, and with any luck he would have improved. Has a few faults though and as much as we all have to stave off Athlai from murdering him to get Jimmeh in the team, I'm not completely confident he would have managed to cement himself as a batsman alone. Bearing in mind this is all theoretical and I stated as such.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Not my place to dictate the Kiwi batting order but I'd have thought Elliott and 5, Vettori at 6 would each be a position or two too high?
Athlai
Not Terrible
Elliott has pretty much cemented himself at 5 and in the CT Vettori said he was now going to bat at 6.
S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
I read contrasting articles today, one saying Vettori and McCullum should interchange between 6/7 and the other that Franklin is the man for number six (test matches).
Which would give us test orders like this:
McIntosh / BRING BACK HOW
Guptill
Flynn
Taylor
Ryder
Vettori
McCullum
Franklin
Bond
Tuffey / O Brien
Martin
That is actually a side I have a reasonable amount of confidence in. Obviously the alternative is to swap Franklin and Vettori, I cant decide which Id prefer but I definately think Franklin should be given an extended run somewhere.
Which would give us test orders like this:
McIntosh / BRING BACK HOW
Guptill
Flynn
Taylor
Ryder
Vettori
McCullum
Franklin
Bond
Tuffey / O Brien
Martin
That is actually a side I have a reasonable amount of confidence in. Obviously the alternative is to swap Franklin and Vettori, I cant decide which Id prefer but I definately think Franklin should be given an extended run somewhere.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Franklin is too good to be a number 8, though so is Vettori. Also nice Test side, besides McIntosh and to a lesser extent Flynn, I think it's really good. Maybe after the domestic season unfolds we can fix those positions too.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Really looking forward to the domestic season and seeing how some of the contending batsmen go. Will hopefully answer a lot of questions about How, Flynn (when not playing for BCs), Williamson, Watling. Rob Nicol as an opener. Broom needs a very good season to remind people he can actually score runs.
Hoping it's not another Sinclair/ Papps/ Bell benefit season. Fulton is pretty close to joining that category too, where flaying domestic attacks counts for not much.
DIRK-NANNES
U19 Vice-Captain
The no. 3 spot is just being kept warm for Myburgh 
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Vettori saying today for the first time that he's considering batting at number 6 in test matches. Still not entirely convinced on this. Vettori, while a consistent performer, still struggles against top quality pace bowling. He has also only really excelled in test cricket against Sri Lanka and India (again, two sides with limited pace attacks). Against the rest he's averaged around 29/30 over the past 6 years, which is good but not great especially considering the not outs he's had to pad his average.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Could work I reckon, though perhaps Elliott would go well there?
Ryder - 5
Vettori - 6
McCullum - 7
Franklin - 8?
We have plenty of batting and Vettori at 6 WOULD allow us to play another bowler. What does everyone else think about this?
S.P. Fleming
U19 Cricketer
Whilst I agree about the fact that McIntosh isnt going to succeed in the long run,Daniel Flynn is a a different case for mine. He looks the part to me and although he has failed to nail down his spot he hasnt failed terribly either. He will be as frustrated as anyone at his inability to convert his scores but we must persist with him.
Im really hoping this is the season when Williamson steps up and dominates first class attacks. Would love for Watling and How score runs aswell.