***Official*** Zimbabwe in New Zealand 2012

[KiWiNiNjA]

This game better not have first class standard. It's a ****ing joke the way the NZ batsmen are treating it. Retire out or don't ****ing retire at all.

Nah, they were all retired out. NZC website had it wrong.

And it's 13 a side or something, so no FC status.

 

[Days of Grace]

So, "retired out" means that you can't come back later? As opposed to "retired not out"

I doubt this is used at all in real first-class games.

 

[Flametree]

Lol at Watling retiring after getting to 20.

"cbf, laterz"

Does that mean they were desperate to give Wells another bat? In which case he must be in with a chance for Napier...

 

[Hurricane]

Random comments - I don't think Sam Wells will get into the XI at least he shouldn't.
As even though I would prefer Ryder played and Vettori batted 7 the team without Wells is not that bad at batting with Bracewell showing enough potential to be a test match number 8. I have also decided that Boult must bat ahead of Southee - they both average 13 for ND with the bat but Boult appears to put a higher price on his wicket.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Random comments - I don't think Sam Wells will get into the XI at least he shouldn't.
As even though I would prefer Ryder played and Vettori batted 7 the team without Wells is not that bad at batting with Bracewell showing enough potential to be a test match number 8. I have also decided that Boult must bat ahead of Southee - they both average 13 for ND with the bat but Boult appears to put a higher price on his wicket.

Nah, Ryder has to stay the hell out of the team. Doesn't seem know what the **** he's doing at the moment.

If Boult has anything even resembling a defensive technique then yeah I agree. Southee just seems too afraid of quick bowling.

 

[Flem274*]

Would leave Wells out for now. If a seamer has a bad run and the batting stays dodgy, I'd consider bringing him in. If he can have a season with the ball like his first, I think he will storm in.

I read somewhere that he opened in youth cricket, so if he wanted to add a string to his bow he could try the Watson route for Otago. If Guppy's performances in tests stay as they are, I could see him losing his spot to an opener who can also bowl well. Harry Boam could try the same tactic.

Can definitely see both Wells and Boam touring with New Zealand A, if this John Wright peference talk is on the money. Can also see Jesse being in deep doo doo if it is the case.

 

[Mike5181]

Some of our reserve middle order bats should put their hand up to open. Guptill is easily one of the most vulnerable guys in our batting line up.

 

[BeeGee]

So, "retired out" means that you can't come back later? As opposed to "retired not out"

I doubt this is used at all in real first-class games.

Law 2.9(b): Retired
If any batsman leaves the field of play without the Umpire's consent for any reason other than injury or incapacity, he may resume the innings only with the consent of the opposing captain. If he fails to resume his innings, he is recorded as being Retired - out. For the purposes of calculating a batting average, retired out is considered a dismissal.

Retired hurt
If a batsman is injured or falls ill while batting, he may retire and resume his innings at the dismissal or retirement of another batsman. If he cannot return by the end of the innings, the batting side must close its innings after all other batsmen are dismissed (excluding the not-out batsman). This can occur if the batsman requires medical attention away from the ground. It is therefore possible for the side batting last in a match to lose despite only losing nine (or potentially fewer) wickets. For the purposes of calculating a batting average, a scorecard entry of 'Retired, hurt' or 'Retired, ill' is considered not out.

Only two batsmen have retired out in an international cricket Test match. Both instances occurred in the same match, with the Sri Lankan batsmen Marvan Atapattu and Mahela Jayawardene.2nd Match: Sri Lanka v Bangladesh at Colombo (SSC), Sep 6-8, 2001 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

It's in the rules and has been used in a Test match.

 

[Athlai]

lol Wells

 

[BeeGee]

Anyone else think that the selectors are seriously looking at picking Wells instead of Boult? I doubt he would be added to the squad just for cover.

Mate, that was the first thing that went through my mind when I heard Wells was in the squad.

Normally in a thirteen man squad you would have one reserve batsman and one reserve bowler. The worst case scenario is that could be Kruger and Boult, respectively.

I can seriously see them doing that. With Vettori back and likely to bowl a lot of overs, Wright could be thinking that Wells would help solve the recent weak batting performances while still offering a fifth bowling option.

I'd prefer the Hobart team with Vettori in for Ryder. We shall see...

 

[wellAlbidarned]

If Boult gets dropped I will punch someone. Sends such a bad message to Southee.

 

[Prince EWS]

Well maybe Southee will get dropped instead...

 

[Hurricane]

Southee's spell to support D Bracewell at Hobart was legendary.

He bowled his heart out for his country in that spell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSPtfGqWo&feature=related

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Must... Resist... Emotional... Blackmail...

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Southee's spell to support D Bracewell at Hobart was legendary.

Shame he hadn't turned up at all in the series prior to that. Don't get me wrong, I think Southee can make it as an international player, but one swallow does not a summer make. He needs to knuckle down and show a bit more mental strength. It's disappointing he doesn't get a run in a first class game prior to the Test.

 

[Hurricane]

Bahnz made a good point that he needs to get his avg down below 40 soon to justify his space in the team. If Chris Martin can average 33 then so should Southee. So yes the pressure is on him but he needs the Zimbos and SA tests before we decide it is time for him to take a break. His domestic record is very good though and he deserves more chances because of that and his age.

Edit - I also wonder if he has suffered from playing too much T20. It can't help your bowling.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Disagree. If he can't average <40 against the Zimbos then his place should be in jeopardy.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I also wonder if he has suffered from playing too much T20. It can't help your bowling.

Rubbish imo.

 

[Hurricane]

Rubbish imo.

You think T20s helps - or you think he hasn't played a lot of T20.

edit he has played 69 T20 games in his career

 

[wellAlbidarned]

You think T20s helps - or you think he hasn't played a lot of T20.

edit he has played 69 T20 games in his career

I think 2020 has no bearing on a player's success in test cricket, positive or negative.

EDIT: The only exception being when playing 2020 limits the the player's availability for tests or FC games.