Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
I had to read the Mandela bit 3 times. I couldn't believe it was Mandela saying Beefy was his hero. Surely it should've been the other way around.
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*Official* Yorkshire CCC racism crisis thread
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thierry henry
International Coach
How does that contradict anything I said
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
England hasn't won an Ashes series while this racism has been running rampant at Yorkshire.
Oh wait, I guess they did in 2005 and whenever it was they won in oz that one time.
Oh wait, I guess they did in 2005 and whenever it was they won in oz that one time.
I doubt the word “hero” was used but I recall press that Mandela publicly praised Sir Beefy for not joining the rebel tours to SA despite being offered a lot of money to do so
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Aritro
International Regular
Most of the comments in that Mirror article seem to be rubbishing the contents of the report, in agreement with Lord Botham (Order of the British Empire). Now I'm not one to say that white people's accounts of whether racism occurred should be entirely disregarded. But one thing I've continuously noticed is that white people have no recollection of having made or heard racist jokes that I remember very clearly because they weren't the ones on the receiving end.
This may be true of a lot of people who dish out jokes at the expense of a less empowered group tbf, but it doesn't help matters when you're trying to establish the truth.
This may be true of a lot of people who dish out jokes at the expense of a less empowered group tbf, but it doesn't help matters when you're trying to establish the truth.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
Probably because they don't think it as racists but rather as something witty and fun.
Like some rich guy telling some poor guy to work hard which for the poor guy is just patronizing but in the minds of rich guy is good advice.
Aritro
International Regular
Also I had no idea England was so dependent on school sports to get kids playing cricket. A perfect way to ensure only wealthy kids have a chance to play at a decent level or become any good at it.
Get a proper local club system for kids, you weirdos. As far as I can tell, they have one for football, so why not cricket?
Get a proper local club system for kids, you weirdos. As far as I can tell, they have one for football, so why not cricket?
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Football is a million times more popular than any other sport in the UK. So while I agree with the sentiment, ‘they have one for football’ is really not an argument for anything
Aritro
International Regular
Fair, I just think it's weird af that there (seemingly) aren't that many local clubs with junior teams and don't really understand why it didn't develop that way if it's a concept that's familiar.
There are currently over 2,200 clubs in England and Wales running ECB-approved introductory cricket for children aged 5 and above.
In addition virtually every child lives within a few miles of a club providing its own coaching and matches for eight-year olds upwards.
There are actually too many clubs competing for the same children. The real issue is whether a child's parents are interested in cricket in the first place.
In addition virtually every child lives within a few miles of a club providing its own coaching and matches for eight-year olds upwards.
There are actually too many clubs competing for the same children. The real issue is whether a child's parents are interested in cricket in the first place.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
The other factor is that privately educated kids get access to high quality coaching and facilities that the State School kids don't. Consequently, when they turn out for their clubs, there's a huge gulf in ability between them.
Aritro
International Regular
Fair enough. What Mark Nicholas described in his book about the cricket culture at whatever ivy covered public school he went to was pretty revealing of this. It sounds like they play cricket obsessively, every day after school and there's a match on every few days. I'm guessing the facilities would put many first class clubs in other nations to shame as well.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
It's frightening. For a while, my daughter was in the County set up in Berkshire. They trained at a local Private School which had 2 cricket grounds, the 2nd of which would put most club grounds to shame.
They even had a 9 hole golf course that I would go and play whilst training was going on.
Schools are a different matter. Their job is to reach children whose parents are not interested in the game.
Every club who plays in an ECB-approved premier league is obliged to run a comprehensive youth section with ECB-approved coaches. There are thirty such leagues currently with over a thousand clubs. Most of these clubs are crying out for more children, sometimes to secure funding. Many of the big clubs have better facilities and coaches than most private schools and they operate throughout the season, not just during term time.
There is excess supply and low demand because successive generations of parents lost interest in the game.
Flem274*
123/5
do your schools have team kit?
the universal team kit bag across schools is a godsend in nz school sport. kids who could never afford gear can access pads, bat, gloves, helmet etc every saturday and it's normal. allows middle class parents to save a bit if they get a couple of things rather than the full set so everyone is using it.
probably wasn't hygenic lol but i was in more danger from my incompetence.
the universal team kit bag across schools is a godsend in nz school sport. kids who could never afford gear can access pads, bat, gloves, helmet etc every saturday and it's normal. allows middle class parents to save a bit if they get a couple of things rather than the full set so everyone is using it.
probably wasn't hygenic lol but i was in more danger from my incompetence.
Shri
Mr. Glass
it might not lead to world cup wins but at least it is a pipeline for cw shirposters
The private school system can work against some young cricketers. A talented twelve-year-old wicket-keeper with a marginally better rival in the same year might never play in the first team. If the same situation occurred at his local club, there would soon be other clubs chasing him.
Aritro
International Regular
The Saudis as well. There's a kid who opens the batting for Eton's 2nd XI averaging 38 but he can't get a game ahead of Alex Loudon's son. Al-Hilal have basically thrown the chequebook at him. Some people might think he won't get the same respect playing in the Saudi league, but who could blame him if he goes?