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*Official* World Test Championship Final at The Oval – June 7–11, 2023

morgieb

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ataraxia said:
Biggest chokers in world cricket?

South Africa
New Zealand
Pakistan
Australia
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I'm honestly not sure New Zealand or Pakistan are/were really chokers (well, other than Pakistan v India lol). Pakistan are just inconsistent whereas New Zealand just aren't that good.

ODI's South Africa are still kings until proven otherwise but I think post-Sandpapergate Australia does genuinely have a good case of the biggest Test chokers.

And yeah India have had their fair share of chokes. Basically become mental beasts against Pakistan or Australia though.
 
Starfighter

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morgieb said:
I wonder whether the desire to be good cultural citizens has hurt our edge. Without resorting to more....aggressive tactics there's no real Plan B for when things aren't quite right.

It makes it very frustrating to be a fan because there's bugger all tough wins but a LOT of tough losses. It's either a blowout win or a chokey loss/draw which sucks.
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I think there's a lack of tactical nous and game reading more than anything. Paine made it really obvious he had no idea what was going on, but things aren't much better now, and the coaching setup isn't helping (one of our period where we were getting the most out of the bowling is when McDermott was actually on the edge of the field giving advice).

That said I don't think the attitudes are helping. And I say that as someone who geneuely hates the boofhead culture Australian cricket is known for. This'll be feeding in the PakPassion theory that we deliberately play nice against India lol. There is certainly some mental block against them.
 
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Starfighter said:
I think there's a lack of tactical nous and game reading more than anything. Paine made it really obvious he had no idea what was going on, but things aren't much better now, and the coaching setup isn't helping (one of our period where we were getting the most out of the bowling is when McDermott was actually on the edge of the field giving advice).

That said I don't think the attitudes are helping. And I say that as someone who geneuely hates the boofhead culture Australian cricket is known for. This'll be feeding in the Pa kPassion theory that we deliberately play nice against India lol.
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Yeah true. I get why Cummins is captain but there's at least 3 sharper tactical minds in the team. He needs a good coach to get the best out of him. Langer would've been a better fit but his cards were marked after the 2020/21 series. Wish Gillespie or Ponting were keen.
 
NotMcKenzie

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morgieb said:
I wonder whether the desire to be good cultural citizens has hurt our edge. Without resorting to more....aggressive tactics there's no real Plan B for when things aren't quite right.
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I don't think it's the lack of aggressive tactics that's the problem; if anything, I'd say that from a cricket standpoint, they are aggressive. It's that if these tactics don't work and batsmen get some time out there, we aren't able to pressure them by cutting off runs.
 
GotSpin

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There’s just a lack of resilience when things start going wrong

our slip cordon is seriously poor though. Green doesn’t drop many but khawaja and Warner are generally hopeless and Smith is very 50/50
 
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morgieb said:
Yeah true. I get why Cummins is captain but there's at least 3 sharper tactical minds in the team. He needs a good coach to get the best out of him. Langer would've been a better fit but his cards were marked after the 2020/21 series. Wish Gillespie or Ponting were keen.
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What about Voges? He seems to have done really well with WA and the Scorchers.
 
trundler

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Saket1209 said:
Aus attack looking 1 dimensional. Starc leaking runs, Cummins bowled well in patches , boland was the best , Lyon hasn't bowled much.
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Can you really blame the attack for being one dimensional when the worst bowler by far has been the left arm express Starc? Those no balls would still have been no balls if Cummins was a left arm Sydney Barnes. They've just made errors.
 
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