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***Official** West Indies in Pakistan

Dravid

International Captain
alternative said:
Is it the usual start or are they starting early to make up time..
I think they started early today, cause when I tured on the TV at 10 am this morning it was already on. They should start early tomorrow too.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Manjrekar making sense. Umpires call off play way too early due to bad light. Though I'm not at the ground, it doesn't look too bad. I think they could've played for another 30 minutes or so.
 

Dravid

International Captain
Well the umpires are walking back on the field. There seem to be chances of play getting started again.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Taufel takes the stumps off. Play officially abandoned for the day. I still say they could've played on a bit more.
 

Salamuddin

International Debutant
I don't see what the Windies see in Edwards....looks very mediocre to me....

would prefer to see Lawson paired with Taylor.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Salamuddin said:
I don't see what the Windies see in Edwards....looks very mediocre to me....
Hasn't played cricket, bar the odd ODI, for about 6 months...
Was outstanding in New Zealand.
Salamuddin said:
would prefer to see Lawson paired with Taylor.
I can't believe you can write off Edwards and then prop up Lawson. Lawson has been terrible of late.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Yousuf showing he's one of the most underrated cricketers on this forum. Another terrific performance.

The way he's going he'll end his career with a batting average close to 55.
 

Dravid

International Captain
Jono said:
Yousuf showing he's one of the most underrated cricketers on this forum.
Says who. I have never underrated him. I think what you are referring to is not having him in the Ranking the Batsman thread right? That doesn't mean he's underrated. Yousuf is an outstanding batsman, and his record is proof of that. But he def is not in the top 25 or top 30 batsman list of all time imo.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Jono said:
Yousuf showing he's one of the most underrated cricketers on this forum. Another terrific performance.

The way he's going he'll end his career with a batting average close to 55.
Until recently Yousuf was rightly rated as he was. It's only really in the last year and a half or so that he's transferred from a very good batsman who gives it away too often to a very good batsman who's worth his weight in runs.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
He wasn't criticised for 'giving it away', he's been criticised for not scoring when it counts, and failing either when the wicket does a bit, or when the team really needs him, to the point when he wasn't even considered a 'very good batsman' by many, but instead was reffered to as the famous 3 letters, a FTB.
 
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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Dravid said:
Says who. I have never underrated him. I think what you are referring to is not having him in the Ranking the Batsman thread right? That doesn't mean he's underrated. Yousuf is an outstanding batsman, and his record is proof of that. But he def is not in the top 25 or top 30 batsman list of all time imo.
No.

This forum has been up a lot longer than a couple of months. I was far from referring to the top 25-30 batsmen of all time, but debates about Yousuf going back 2 years or so. Clearly he's not one of the best 30 batsmen of all time.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Jono said:
He wasn't criticised for 'giving it away', he's been criticised for not scoring when it counts, and failing either when the wicket does a bit, or when the team really needs him, to the point when he wasn't even considered a 'very good batsman' by many, but instead was reffered to as the famous 3 letters, a FTB.
He was criticized for giving it away as well. Because he rarely looked stressed at the crease and yet perished to a variety of loose strokes. I remember vividly reading a CricInfo match report about an innings of 12 (?) he played against England last year. And then he settled the ball into the hands of point. He then scored a ton in his next innings (I think) and has been awesome fairly consistently since.
 

Jungle Jumbo

International Vice-Captain
Report, largely done from 'other sources':

Mohammad Yousuf struck his sixth Test century of the year - an unbeaten 107 - as Pakistan opened up a significant lead against the West Indies on day two at Lahore. Both Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik also hit fifties as Pakistan closed on 265 for four, 59 ahead.

On a pitch now lacking the bite that gave Umar Gul an opening day five-for, the West Indian attack struggled for most of the day, with their limited success mainly confined to the first session. Hafeez and Younis Khan had only added six to the overnight total of 39 for one when the latter pulled Fidel Edwards to Ramnaresh Sarwan at short midwicket, bringing Yousuf to the crease. Yousuf was soon threading the ball through the off-side arc with considerable ease and frequency and demonstrated a degree of control missing from any of batsmen so far in the match. The compact strokeplay of Mohammad Hafeez had been overshadowed by later events in Pakistan's last Test at The Oval and here to he remained watchful until deceived by a Jerome Taylor inswinger and trapped leg before for 57.

Just three overs later the West Indies seemed to be back in the game as wrist-spinner Dave Mohammed screwed a delivery back into Inzamam-ul-Haq's stumps, but Yousuf and Shoaib Malik remained firm to erode the West Indies throughout the afternoon and evening sessions. Perhaps only Rahul Dravid can exude the same air of confidence in making three-figures in the Test arena as Yousuf at the moment, although he did uncharacteristically provide chances to the West Indians - to Daren Ganga in the gully on 43 and a tough caught-and-bowled to Taylor having completed his hundred.

Shoaib Malik offered ideal support, back in a more natural role at the foot of the middle-order, though was largely restrained, preferring to let Yousuf rack up the runs. Occasionally he lashed out at the West Indian attack - straight driving Mohammed for six, for example - as if to remind the bowlers of his capabilities, but Malik was more intent on solidifying the Pakistani position. Yousuf and Malik complied an unbeaten partnership of 125 together (strangely the highest for the Pakistani fifth wicket against the West Indies) until bad light brought an early end to the proceedings. Yousuf finished with 107 from 190 ball, Malik with 61 from 149. Tomorrow's first session will be crucial in the determination of the result of this first Test: should the West Indies make early inroads the likes of Abdul Razzaq and Kamran Akmal, both unpredictable customers at times, could be exposed, but similarly if Yousuf and Malik can set up a platform for the big-hitters, the West Indies could be faced with a tough back-to-the-wall job to save the Test.
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
Pretty boring day of play for mine. Pakistan should look to quickly extend this lead tommorow if they hope to have time to bowl out the West Indies. The wicket seems to be calming down a bit, and with the light situation being the way it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the Windies batted out upwards of a day.
 

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