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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14

James

James

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From my opinion, I think the selectors have got it wrong in playing Sodhi. He's played 18 first-class matches with 1 five wicket bag with an average of over 50. Do we really expect him to cause the WIndies any problems? Perhaps he's bowled better than his stats suggest, but he obviously hasn't run through first-class teams on the 4th day of matches.

Its continued for years now, but I don't know why we feel the need to always pick a spinner in the team seemingly regardless of their abilities. It was the same last summer with Bruce Martin.

Just pick your 4 best bowlers and if they're all seamers then so be it. Moving forward, if we need a bit of a change up, bowl Williamson will be in the team all the time except for injury.
 
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Aw, Boult's average is back on the wrong side of 30 again now.

And Bravo's taking Wagner to pieces.
 
hendrix

hendrix

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RxGM said:
I don't like too as they are both excellent swing bowlers but they do average 45 and 54 in the second innings.

I'm trying to work out what we have learnt since Auckland.

We again battered to long
We again dropped a lot of chances
We again did not play an into the wicket bowler
We again are playing a spinner who has not bowled teams out in the second innings
We again are only playing 4 bowlers (Anderson has not really bowled that much)
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I'm not sure what you mean by "into the wicket" bowler, but there have been two very patently obvious weaknesses in this attack for a long time. I suppose Wagner forced his inclusion by the 5-for in Bangladesh, but the continued presence of Bracewell in the squad just seems to me as the the selectors aren't doing anything to fix the problem.
The selection of Sodhi is pure and simply hope that they can get away with developing a spinner at test level. The guy averages 50 in domestic cricket.
Everyone ****ing knows that you can't do that. It's ludicrous.
It happens that Sodhi has actually been more threatening than Wagner - but let's be obvious, any of 10 other domestic bowlers would've bowled better than him in this test.

Someone has to be brought into the squad.
 
Bahnz

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No swing, no energy, no wickets. Lead is now under 100. Reckon if these two make it to tea WI will save the match. Seriously think NZ doesn't really fully believe that they can win test matches.
 
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archie mac

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James said:
From my opinion, I think the selectors have got it wrong in playing Sodhi. He's played 18 first-class matches with 1 five wicket bag with an average of over 50. Do we really expect him to cause the WIndies any problems? Perhaps he's bowled better than his stats suggest, but he obviously hasn't run through first-class teams on the 4th day of matches.

Its continued for years now, but I don't know why we feel the need to always pick a spinner in the team seemingly regardless of their abilities. It was the same last summer with Bruce Martin.

Just pick your 4 best bowlers and if they're all seamers then so be it. Moving forward, if we need a bit of a change up, bowl Williamson will be in the team all the time except for injury.
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They showed the averages of their leg spinners down through the ages and they made from sad reading but as the commentators said it can take a long time before they are Test quality bowlers.

I'm quite impressed with Deonarine, looks a decent prospect. I was surprised on his batting average. Perhaps now he has stopped the makeup under the eyes and the weird stance he may prosper
 
hendrix

hendrix

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James said:
From my opinion, I think the selectors have got it wrong in playing Sodhi. He's played 18 first-class matches with 1 five wicket bag with an average of over 50. Do we really expect him to cause the WIndies any problems? Perhaps he's bowled better than his stats suggest, but he obviously hasn't run through first-class teams on the 4th day of matches.

Its continued for years now, but I don't know why we feel the need to always pick a spinner in the team seemingly regardless of their abilities. It was the same last summer with Bruce Martin.

Just pick your 4 best bowlers and if they're all seamers then so be it. Moving forward, if we need a bit of a change up, bowl Williamson will be in the team all the time except for injury.
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Or just pick Jeetan Patel who has taken five wicket bags and doesn't offer a hit me ball every over?
 
straw man

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West Indies have finally realised this pitch is quite flat and getting flatter. And these half chances and not-quites and play-and-misses are just so goddam frustrating.

RxGM said:
I don't like too as they are both excellent swing bowlers but they do average 45 and 54 in the second innings.

I'm trying to work out what we have learnt since Auckland.

We again batted to long
We again dropped a lot of chances
We again did not play an into the wicket bowler
We again are playing a spinner who has not bowled teams out in the second innings
We again are only playing 4 bowlers (Anderson has not really bowled that much)
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Strongly disagree with the bolded part regarding both Auckland and this match. Saying we batted too long in Auckland is just hindsight bias because we ended up one wicket away from winning imo. It's impossible to say what would have happened had we batted one hour less. We didn't win because we dropped two (not straightforward) chances and because Prior made a pact with the devil to alter the laws of physics and has been paying for it ever since. This match is more straightforward - take the first innings runs on offer before declaring every time.

Your other criticisms are limited by the pool of players we have at our disposal.

wellAlbidarned said:
yeah they don't have prior to come thankfully
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People didn't expect Bell or Broad to make a big contribution to saving that match either, but they did.

Bahnz said:
No swing, no energy, no wickets. Lead is now under 100. Reckon if these two make it to tea WI will save the match. Seriously think NZ doesn't really fully believe that they can win test matches.
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I certainly think with these frustrations and half-chances that the Auckland match will be looming large in the team's conscious right now.
 
hendrix

hendrix

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wellAlbidarned said:
neither should ever be picked for international cricket is the point
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yeah, but if you're going to pick a spinner, you pick the best one. the best being measured by wickets taken and average, and their ability to support a new-ball dominant attack that requires tight overs.
 
wellAlbidarned

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
hendrix said:
yeah, but if you're going to pick a spinner, you pick the best one. the best being measured by wickets taken and average, and their ability to support a new-ball dominant attack that requires tight overs.
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this really is a classic "grass is always greener" situation. Whatever spinner we play will undoubtedly suck, so we say whoever isn't playing "couldn't possibly do worse", which they go on to do when the inevitably get picked

THE SOLUTION: don't play a ****ing spinner
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

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wellAlbidarned said:
neither should ever be picked for international cricket is the point
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Well...it's not like we're swimming with bowlers who average less than 50 in test cricket. I mean Dougeh has averaged 50 since Adelaide, Bartin got bazooka'd by Bangladesh, Gillespie is being consistently outbowled by Brent Arnel... whether we go fast or slow our fourth bowling options are looking pretty rubbish.
 
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