***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14

[Bahnz]

Also feel sorry for Wagner. After a horrible test match he could've had a wicket 3 times in that over, and ended up going for 10 runs instead.

 

[kyear2]

I personally don't understand these defensive fields with this lead.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Bravo the new Broad

 

[vandem]

Was it out do you think tv watches?

Out. Hot spot shows different colours for forearm sweat band then skin then wrist strap of glove. There is a hot spot clearly NOT on the skin.

Only conclusion is that TV ump ruled that white part of the glove = "glove", but coloured wrist strap of glove is NOT "glove". But hey, take off your gloves and the coloured wrist strap comes off at the same time ...

Perhaps TV ump dos not get to see hot spot?

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I personally don't understand these defensive fields with this lead.

it's a short-ball trap because they're going after them

 

[hendrix]

Disagree, especially in a test match where there is so much time left. The best way to win the test is to ensure that the majority of the first 20 overs are bowled by Southee and Boult, because the drop-off in quality between our new ball and old ball bowling is pretty vaste.

Sure, it's a ****ty old ball attack.

But first of all, and most importantly, who really knows what Dunedin weather will do?

Also, when the lead is that big it means that there's 2 shots with the new ball, separated by a good night's rest.
Tomorrow the new ball will be available some time in the morning session. If they've lost even just 2 wickets by that stage, it could be lights out.
Also, who could've predicted that Wagner would be this consistently poor? Even when he's bad he usually flukes the odd wicket or too. Sodhi as well should be picking up 1 per innings.

Even without that, there's still Anderson to bowl.

The follow on gives Windies an opportunity to win a session or two, but not the test.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Perhaps Doull will give us a reverse swing masterclass?

 

[wellAlbidarned]

really bizarre shot from bravo

edit: oh and 50. Well played (at times)

 

[kyear2]

it's a short-ball trap because they're going after them

But only one slip and a sweeper on the offside?

 

[_Ed_]

Nice 50 from Bravo.

I'll become a true Anderson believer if he can get us a wicket or two here.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

But only one slip and a sweeper on the offside?

They're going at almost 4 an over and our attack hasn't produced an outside edge through the slips in probably 10 overs - there's plenty more productive places for fielders with the old ball. No slips =/= defensive captaincy. Also Bravo has proved very keen to flash outside off even with the man out there, so might as well cut off a big source of his runs.

 

[straw man]

Ftr I'm firmly in the enforce-follow-on camp with a 400-odd first innings lead here. Wasting an innings to bat for three hours purely to give the bowlers a rest seems unnecessary. Even if Southee and Boult only bowl a handful of overs in the rest of the day in order to rest up, that's fine. And then they rest over night. In the mean time Sodhi/Wagner/Anderson/Redmond/whoever can bowl and they'll probably contribute a wicket or two.

 

[kyear2]

That's not a good field.

Not with the lead they have.

 

[hendrix]

Ftr I'm firmly in the enforce-follow-on camp with a 400-odd first innings lead here. Wasting an innings to bat for three hours purely to give the bowlers a rest seems unnecessary. Even if Southee and Boult only bowl a handful of overs in the rest of the day in order to rest up, that's fine. And then they rest over night. In the mean time Sodhi/Wagner/Anderson/Redmond/whoever can bowl and they'll probably contribute a wicket or two.

Also, there's positive collateral in that it gives Southee and Boult more experience bowling hard, honest overs for consecutive days. They're going to have to do that plenty more in their careers so they may as well develop in that aspect while we're on top rather than when India go 700/1 in the first innings.

It's what made Jimmy Anderson the bowler he is.

 

[kyear2]

Bravo riding his luck a bit here.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

That's not a good field.

Not with the lead they have.

At the minute the ball isn't moving, the bowlers are tired, and the batsmen are feeling comfortable. In these kinds of situations wickets are very unlikely to come from stacking the slip cordon. It's true we've got a big lead but one of the key aspects to dismissing guys like bravo once set is cutting off their boundary opportunities. If you leave cover boundary open he'll be smashing a boundary an over, which is exactly what he'd love to be doing.

 

[kyear2]

Like how Edwards is rotating the strike.

 

[Bahnz]

Sure, it's a ****ty old ball attack.

But first of all, and most importantly, who really knows what Dunedin weather will do?

Also, when the lead is that big it means that there's 2 shots with the new ball, separated by a good night's rest.
Tomorrow the new ball will be available some time in the morning session. If they've lost even just 2 wickets by that stage, it could be lights out.
Also, who could've predicted that Wagner would be this consistently poor? Even when he's bad he usually flukes the odd wicket or too. Sodhi as well should be picking up 1 per innings.

Even without that, there's still Anderson to bowl.

The follow on gives Windies an opportunity to win a session or two, but not the test.

The forecast is for fine weather until the end of the test, and there's so much time left it'd be unlikely to have a signficant role even without the follow-on (I'm only talking a session and a half of batting anyway). Likewise we'd still have more than enough time to take the 2nd new ball tomorrow. All that enforcing the follow-on has gained NZ is the depletion of by far their greatest strength. It's unlikely to have a significant effect on the outcome, but I don't think it was the right thing to do.

 

[kyear2]

That is just negative bowling to Bravo

 

[kyear2]

Well played Kirk. Only the beginning though hopefully.

Keep it going.