***Official*** West Indies in India 2013

[Prince EWS]

I got lambasted for it when I said it, but if you're going to pick a hack of a cricketer who only plays in India to bat 7 and keep a tight line in spinning conditions, I'd rather pick Suresh Raina for that job.

And you will again. I'm a better bowler than Suresh Raina.

 

[JontyPanesar]

yeah he is the complete opposite, in that he actually does have real variation, but he also struggles to flight the ball. I suppose that's not necessarily a huge deal when he has other methods of taking wickets at his disposal, but either way at the very least he's going to have to get more control and keep a better length to succeed in the long term.

He's a 4th pick bowler at the absolute best, which is why it was so ridiculous to pick Jadeja as well.

I got lambasted for it when I said it, but if you're going to pick a hack of a cricketer who only plays in India to bat 7 and keep a tight line in spinning conditions, I'd rather pick Suresh Raina for that job.

You're thinking of Bhajji. Ashwin likes flighting it for the most part, but he does like to ease into proceedings. His length is fine for the most part, it's usually very full. The problem is pitching the ball on leg stump. Too much ends up on the pads and dispatched for singles and fours.

 

[OverratedSanity]

yeah he is the complete opposite, in that he actually does have real variation, but he also struggles to flight the ball. I suppose that's not necessarily a huge deal when he has other methods of taking wickets at his disposal, but either way at the very least he's going to have to get more control and keep a better length to succeed in the long term.

He's a 4th pick bowler at the absolute best, which is why it was so ridiculous to pick Jadeja as well.

I got lambasted for it when I said it, but if you're going to pick a hack of a cricketer who only plays in India to bat 7 and keep a tight line in spinning conditions, I'd rather pick Suresh Raina for that job.

Ashwin would be one of the first guys I pick for a test in the SC. Want to pick Ojha, but Ashwin's batting has proved valuable on several occasions. He gets too much hate, he's been very inconsistent, but gen he gets it right like in the Australia series, he gets loads of wickets . Imo, he'll be awful overseas from what I've seen, but you can't argue with his results in India.

 

[hendrix]

And you will again. I'm a better bowler than Suresh Raina.

then you're better than Jadeja as well.

 

[hendrix]

You're thinking of Bhajji. Ashwin likes flighting it for the most part, but he does like to ease into proceedings. His length is fine for the most part, it's usually very full. The problem is pitching the ball on leg stump. Too much ends up on the pads and dispatched for singles and fours.

nah, not thinking of Harbhajan (whose bowling I like, even when not in form).

I've never seen Ashwin deceiving batsmen in flight and length. Sometimes he does it with turn, sometimes his variation, but I haven't seen him flight it the way someone like Ojha does.

 

[JontyPanesar]

Ashwin has a higher ceiling but Ojha is the best Indian spinner for overseas conditions right now imho. Ashwin isn't accurate enough for foreign conditions

 

[Prince EWS]

then you're better than Jadeja as well.

Nah, **** off. It's taking Jadeja hatred to an absolutely stupid extreme to say Raina is a better bowler than him. It is straight up the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted on this forum by a non-troll/clueless member. Raina literally has absolutely no redeeming qualities as a bowler and all and frankly shouldn't even be used as a sixth or seventh part-time option in First Class cricket. It'd be like saying Martin Guptill was a better bowler than Jeetan Patel.

 

[Daemon]

then you're better than Jadeja as well.

He's not, but only because Jadeja bowls left handed

 

[Flem274*]

Martin Guptill is a better bowler than Jeetan Patel.

awta

 

[OverratedSanity]

Also what's with the irrational hate for Kohli... Yeah I don't think he's fulfilled his potential in tests so far but give him some time ffs. Completely discounting the Adelaide ton because it was a flay pitch is incredibly stupid. All our other legendary middle order batsmen did ****all that day. If anything atleast he's done well on an overseas tour... Pujara has more to prove

I actually think they'll both be brilliant for us in the coming years.

 

[Daemon]

Nah, **** off. It's taking Jadeja hatred to an absolutely stupid extreme to say Raina is a better bowler than him. It is straight up the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted on this forum by a non-troll/clueless member. Raina literally has absolutely no redeeming qualities as a bowler and all and frankly shouldn't even be used as a sixth or seventh part-time option in First Class cricket. It'd be like saying Martin Guptill was a better bowler than Jeetan Patel.

Woah there. He was our second best bowler in England after Kumar

 

[hendrix]

Nah, **** off. It's taking Jadeja hatred to an absolutely stupid extreme to say Raina is a better bowler than him. It is straight up the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted on this forum by a non-troll/clueless member. Raina literally has absolutely no redeeming qualities as a bowler and all and frankly shouldn't even be used as a sixth or seventh part-time option in First Class cricket. It'd be like saying Martin Guptill was a better bowler than Jeetan Patel.

I'm using hyperbole, but the point is that Jadeja is a 5th bowling option at best, and also doesn't bat well enough to bat in the top 6-7. Whereas I could at least see Raina batting at 7 and being a 5th bowler. Jadeja is a better bowler, but Raina, for all his uselessness, is a far, far superior batsman.

Jadeja's inclusion should be questioned more than, say Darren Sammy.

 

[Prince EWS]

I'm using hyperbole, but the point is that Jadeja is a 5th bowling option at best, and also doesn't bat well enough to bat in the top 6-7. Whereas I could at least see Raina batting at 7 and being a 5th bowler. Jadeja is a better bowler, but Raina, for all his uselessness, is a far, far superior batsman.

If Raina was my fifth bowler I'd just bowl my first four into the ground.

 

[hendrix]

Also what's with the irrational hate for Kohli... Yeah I don't think he's fulfilled his potential in tests so far but give him some time ffs. Completely discounting the Adelaide ton because it was a flay pitch is incredibly stupid. All our other legendary middle order batsmen did ****all that day. If anything atleast he's done well on an overseas tour... Pujara has more to prove
.

There wasn't any hate for Kohli, just caution.

 

[JontyPanesar]

Also what's with the irrational hate for Kohli... Yeah I don't think he's fulfilled his potential in tests so far but give him some time ffs. Completely discounting the Adelaide ton because it was a flay pitch is incredibly stupid. All our other legendary middle order batsmen did ****all that day. If anything atleast he's done well on an overseas tour... Pujara has more to prove

I actually think they'll both be brilliant for us in the coming years.

All our other legendary middle order batsmen were on their last legs.

My skepticism stems from how he has broken into the test side. He came through the ODI route with no real pedigree from domestic first class. He didn't even have that good of an Aus tour, only a good tour on a relative basis. He averaged 37.5

 

[hendrix]

If Raina was my fifth bowler I'd just bowl my first four into the ground.

but you'd pick Jadeja as a 4th bowler? Or bat him in the top 7?

 

[Prince EWS]

but you'd pick Jadeja as a 4th bowler? Or bat him in the top 7?

In India? Yeah, sure.

 

[JontyPanesar]

The best part of Match Point with Sanjay Manjrekar is Sanjay expressing his total disdain for Vinod Kambli

 

[Burgey]

Looking forward to Ashwin's press conference after play today.

 

[OverratedSanity]

All our other legendary middle order batsmen were on their last legs.

And Kohli was on his first ever overseas tour. And to be the top scorer is an achievement, surely. I was just annoyed that his ton was brushed off as just another useless ton on a flat pitch. And someone also said his Perth performance was the only good one he's had in difficult conditions overseas. Well, no **** he's played only a handful of games outside India so far