*Official* VB Series - Australia, India & Zimbabwe

[ReallyCrazy]

Pakistan are a better side than India ATm

I disagree with what you said there jamesryfler. I think India are a better team atm. Pakistan beating NZ does not convey much. NZ actually dominated more days in the test series than Pakistan did and were unlucky to lose it. And then what about the 4-1 series win for NZ in the ODIs.

Comparing India and Pakistan...India's batting lineup is perhaps the best in the world. Their fielding is a lot better. And I would say that the Pakistan bowling attack is only slightly better and that is becoz of Shoaib Akhtar. If there was no Shoaib, India's bowling would be better. India's bowling is not as bad as some ppl say it is. And it is being seen in this Australian tour.

 

[marc71178]

Hayden Rested, and Lee Saved

In a way that's good IMO - give Lee another chance to redeem himself from his 1 poor performance in the last ODI.

 

[marc71178]

I disagree with what you said there jamesryfler. I think India are a better team atm. Pakistan beating NZ does not convey much. NZ actually dominated more days in the test series than Pakistan did and were unlucky to lose it.

By the same token, Australia dominated many more days than India in their series though.

Pakistan are in a good run IMO - don't forget they beat SA no that long ago.

 

[CDAK]

By the same token, Australia dominated many more days than India in their series though.

how many days?? just count it and see whether ur statement is valid or not.

 

[Bapu Rao Swami]

Australia versus all nations in ODIs past 10 games.

Team----P-----W-----L-----T-----NR-----%-----BatAv-----BowAv

N.Z-----10-----6-----4-----0-----0-----60%-----25.6-----23.1

Pak-----10-----6-----3-----0-----1-----67%-----38.5-----21.5

S.L-----10-----7-----3-----0-----0-----70%-----32.4-----27.6

W.I-----10-----7-----3-----0-----0-----70%-----42.1-----26.9

Ind-----10-----8-----2-----0-----0-----80%-----48.7-----29.1

S.A-----10-----8-----1-----1-----0-----85%-----38.3-----29.6

Eng-----10----10-----0-----0-----0----100%-----45.9-----22.6

Zim-----10----10-----0-----0-----0----100%-----59.0-----24.8


It seems NZ is Australia's toughest rival in both forms of the game according to stats!!

 

[marc71178]

how many days?? just count it and see whether ur statement is valid or not.

I already did in the Test Series thread:

Will look it out for you again though.

First Test Aus 2 Ind 1 (2 rained out)
Second Test Aus 2 Ind 3
Third Test Aus 3 Ind 1
Fourth Test Aus 1 Ind 2 but 2 days honours fairly even.

I make that 8-7.

 

[Pratters]

I already did in the Test Series thread:

Will look it out for you again though.

First Test Aus 2 Ind 1 (2 rained out)
Second Test Aus 2 Ind 3
Third Test Aus 3 Ind 1
Fourth Test Aus 1 Ind 2 but 2 days honours fairly even.

I make that 8-7.

Not a huge difference and India certainly dominated the last test for most of the time.

 

[CDAK]

I already did in the Test Series thread:

Will look it out for you again though.

First Test Aus 2 Ind 1 (2 rained out)
Second Test Aus 2 Ind 3
Third Test Aus 3 Ind 1
Fourth Test Aus 1 Ind 2 but 2 days honours fairly even.

I make that 8-7.

Let's take the last one for instance. The days when India batted, it was full of Indian dominace(3 days clearly) and the last day mostly was of Indian dominance. So ur assesment is not even half true.. but anyway, everyone can have their own opinion.So u r correct in ur sense ( only) and the same with me too.

 

[marc71178]

Let's take the last one for instance. The days when India batted, it was full of Indian dominace(3 days clearly) and the last day mostly was of Indian dominance. So ur assesment is not even half true.. but anyway, everyone can have their own opinion.So u r correct in ur sense ( only) and the same with me too.

Day 1: India 284/3 - India dominates
Day 2: India 650/5 - India dominates
Day 3: India 705/7d, Australia 342/6 - no way can you say India dominated, if anything Australia had the upper hand.
Day 4: Australia 474, India 211/2d, Australia 10/0 - reverse of Day 3 - India slight upper hand.
Day 5: Australia 357-6 - For me that day clearly belongs to Australia, for a fair while, the target was possible.

I am a neutral in this series, and looking at the comments from fans of the competing nations, I think the neutrals are the objective ones!

 

[Pratters]

Day 1: India 284/3 - India dominates
Day 2: India 650/5 - India dominates
Day 3: India 705/7d, Australia 342/6 - no way can you say India dominated, if anything Australia had the upper hand.
Day 4: Australia 474, India 211/2d, Australia 10/0 - reverse of Day 3 - India slight upper hand.
Day 5: Australia 357-6 - For me that day clearly belongs to Australia, for a fair while, the target was possible.

I am a neutral in this series, and looking at the comments from fans of the competing nations, I think the neutrals are the objective ones!

So India did dominate the last crucial test more than the Aussies. 'For a while the target was possible' - For 10 overs for us who believe any thing can happen in cricket.

Australia fought back coz of 2 reasons - Ganguly didnt enforce the follow on; they fought back well after that.

So even though the series was a draw, in no way were India worse 8-7.

 

[krkode]

Nobody cares who dominated how many days; I don't know why we are doing this. That is no indication of who the better team is...

Say an ODI team scores 300 and restricts the other to 150 in 40 overs. Team 2 comes out and makes 151 in the next 10 overs. So, just because Team 1 dominated the game for 90 out of 100 overs they're suddenly the better team? BS.

There is no way to "objectively" judge the better team in a series, especially by looking at the number of days of "domination". Objectivity ends with victory or defeat. When it's drawn, you look at other things.

The simple fact is the series is over; it was drawn 1-1. India did better than expected. Australia did worse than expected.

Now, back to the ODI cricket :P

Thumping performance by Laxman, really. I hope that silences (for a while) his ODI critics...

 

[marc71178]

So even though the series was a draw, in no way were India worse 8-7.

Go back through the series and analyse it - you'd be surprised.

 

[Pratters]

Go back through the series and analyse it - you'd be surprised.

Okay So India won the second match, Aussies won the third and India looked like winning the 4th before the Aussies saved it, courtesy a good effort by Waugh when a victory seemed possible for the Aussies for a very short period. I wouldnt think much of the first test apart from seeing some good cricket. So how did India lose 8-7?

 

[Salamuddin]

Day 1: India 284/3 - India dominates
Day 2: India 650/5 - India dominates
Day 3: India 705/7d, Australia 342/6 - no way can you say India dominated, if anything Australia had the upper hand.
Day 4: Australia 474, India 211/2d, Australia 10/0 - reverse of Day 3 - India slight upper hand.
Day 5: Australia 357-6 - For me that day clearly belongs to Australia, for a fair while, the target was possible.

I am a neutral in this series, and looking at the comments from fans of the competing nations, I think the neutrals are the objective ones!

Umm...no Marc. Day 3 was definitely India's. Pathan's late dismissals of Gilchrist and Waugh definitely gave India the edge on that day. If at 342/6 chasing 705, you think you have the upper hand -- think again. BUt then such a position would be a 'victory' given the English mindset wouldn't it ?

Your giving Australia the honours on day 5 is plain ridiculous.
The moment Hayden and Langer were out in quick succession before lunch it was pretty obvious that Australia couldn't win - so your claim that the target was, for a fair while, achievable is laughable. Martyn and Ponting were padding everything away after lunch - not the signs of men intent on victory.
On that road, a draw was always the most likely outcome and so it proved.
The last day, to be perfectly fair, was 50-50.

Day 4 was probably 50-50 as well thanks mostly to Katich's excellent knock. So overall India 4-1 in Sydney.

Marc, you just can't accept the fact that India played much better cricket in Australia than the insipid Pommies did a summer earlier.

 

[marc71178]

Okay So India won the second match, Aussies won the third and India looked like winning the 4th before the Aussies saved it, courtesy a good effort by Waugh when a victory seemed possible for the Aussies for a very short period. I wouldnt think much of the first test apart from seeing some good cricket. So how did India lose 8-7?

Going Day by Day, and remembering there's 4 Test's

 

[Pratters]

Going Day by Day, and remembering there's 4 Test's

On the whole, India did play better cricket than the Aussies I felt. I did say there was the 1st test but it was rained out and doesnt count for much. I wouldnt look at it day by day at all. Which team was happier to draw the series by the time the series ended? The Australians were and it werent the Indians certainly.

 

[marc71178]

Umm...no Marc. Day 3 was definitely India's. Pathan's late dismissals of Gilchrist and Waugh definitely gave India the edge on that day. If at 342/6 chasing 705, you think you have the upper hand -- think again.

For the record I didn't give either side Day 3 or 4 in my ratings (and certainly don't think India deserved anything for it) since they were close and I haven't awarded any points for days like that.

IMO Aus had more on day 5 than Ind, since Ind never even really looked like bowling them out and Aus for a while looked like it was on.

Marc, you just can't accept the fact that India played much better cricket in Australia than the insipid Pommies did a summer earlier.

You what? When have I ever mentioned England?!!!!!

 

[krkode]

You what? When have I ever mentioned England?!!!!!

Obvioualy, he deduced it from your incessant argument.

Has nobody read my post? Why are we still arguing about this completely pointless topic...

Nobody cares how many days Australia dominated or how many India dominated. If you guys do, you should stop now because you look silly arguing about this...

 

[marc71178]

Obvioualy, he deduced it from your incessant argument.

I don't follow?

Not once have I mentioned the Ashes of last winter, because they have no bearing on this series - so why am I accused of that?

 

[Salamuddin]

I don't follow?

Of course you don't. NOt in the least surprised. :rolleyes:

Not once have I mentioned the Ashes of last winter, because they have no bearing on this series - so why am I accused of that?

Ok then we're all agreed. India are a better team than England. :P

Now to the VB series, team that should play today is:
Patel
Ganguly
Laxman
Yuvraj
Dravid
Badani
Gavaskar
Irfan
Bhandari
Balaji
Nehra

12th karthik --- kumble should be rested but he probably won't.
:rolleyes: