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*Official* T20 Tri-Series in NZ (NZ, Pakistan, Bangladesh)

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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Bracewell's form with the ball makes things pretty interesting, and isn't probably a great omen for Chapman. Which sucks, because I was really impressed with the way he went about it in the first game. They'll believe they can get 32 off 16 from Bracewell (which is far less likely) and gives them another bowling option if Neesham gets pumped.

I reckon this will be the team to play Australia in Sydney: Allen Conway Williamson Phillips Mitchell Neesham Bracewell Santner Boult...then I truly don't know where they'll go with Southee, Sodhi, Ferguson, Milne. I'd be playing Milne and Ferguson if fit, but I doubt they will.
 
TheBrand

TheBrand

First Class Debutant
I'd also put all our eggs in one basket too and play Milne and Ferguson against Australia, plenty of lesser games for them to rest.
 
Kippax

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
straw man said:
I saw the Macewell interview yesterday too and all I could think was awwww what a nice guy. I'm not even sure he has the ruthlessness to run his agribusiness.
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That's right. He doesn't have the abrasive ire and rancour you might get from a Brendon Bracewell. That's why I've felt the almost Kuggeleijn levels of dissatisfaction with him on here have been getting a bit warped and strange tbh.

I think (via nzfan's posts on here) CW may've just misread the situation in thinking Ravindra really wanted Macewell's role across the formats. There's every chance Ravindra wanted more of a specialist top-order Young role right the way through.
 
Kippax

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
He's referencing the fact that I didn't really see too much of an international bat in Young in contrast to Conway.
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Kippax said:
That's right. He doesn't have the abrasive ire and rancour you might get from a Brendon Bracewell. That's why I've felt the almost Kuggeleijn levels of dissatisfaction with him on here have been getting a bit warped and strange tbh.

I think (via nzfan's posts on here) CW may've just misread the situation in thinking Ravindra really wanted Macewell's role across the formats. There's every chance Ravindra wanted more of a specialist top-order Young role right the way through.
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Think it's inevitable that, when selection is very far outside what people think is justified over multiple instances and above multiple other players seen as more deserving, that some of the chat crosses into speculation and attacks against the player that are probably unfair.

When I joined this forum, all the talk was about what ***ual favours the Marshall brothers were doing for continual selection from John Bracewell, so not much has changed. Better angels would tell us everyone is doing their best and it's not usually the player's fault if they're selected above their abilities (which is where most of the opprobrium ends up), but also it's only a cricket forum and talk is cheap so ymmv.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Prince EWS said:
Nah I think by "we" he was just referencing NZ cricket as a whole ruining his chances by batting him out of position.
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Yep.

Kippax said:
He's referencing the fact that I didn't really see too much of an international bat in Young in contrast to Conway.
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Not at all, and that was always my point, even if I rate(d) Young a lot more than you. Your analysis of him playing around his front pad proved prophetic, and was the basis of why I didn't want him opening and felt Conway was a much better choice. That one really irks me. So much so I'm mentioning it in the midst of a T20 tournament he shouldn't be picked for (because I'm already bored by this tournament).
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
Kippax said:
That's right. He doesn't have the abrasive ire and rancour you might get from a Brendon Bracewell. That's why I've felt the almost Kuggeleijn levels of dissatisfaction with him on here have been getting a bit warped and strange tbh.

I think (via nzfan's posts on here) CW may've just misread the situation in thinking Ravindra really wanted Macewell's role across the formats. There's every chance Ravindra wanted more of a specialist top-order Young role right the way through.
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no one feels kuggeleijn levels of dissatisfaction towards macewell. i feel bad for the position macewell is in. i cheer the opposition when kuggeleijn bowls.

i don't like his selection because he's the most egregious symptom of the problems almost everyone has with the selectors, and i never rated him much to begin with beyond domestic white ball batting where i've seen him hit it long and fair enough it's t20.

yolo charging a fairly ho-hum fc batsman into the role of specialist spinner ahead of the bloke coming off 10fer is the most special decision i've seen in over 20 years of watching NZ make many interesting calls, yet god forbid we do anything spicy with percentage thinking behind it like keep lockie ferguson and ben sears around the test side for variety or trial guys who can bat quickly in white ball teams.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Flem274* said:
into the role of specialist spinner ahead of the bloke coming off 10fer is the most special decision i've seen in over 20 years of watching NZ make many interesting calls
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This is my main issue with it. I am OK with the slightly gut feel selections in ODIs and T20s (which have both paid off), but picking a guy who averaged 17 with the bat in FC cricket the previous season (was the heady heights of 19? I forget) and shitting on the development of a guy who'd taken 10-for/14-for and needed to be backed, was diabolical.

But you just know they're going to try and play him in Pakistan, as well.

I'm not even sure he is good for the balance of our side, because to be good for balance you have to be a reasonably consistent contributor with both disciplines. Otherwise you just pick a bowler or a batsman. Rub out the Ireland ODI series and that's definitely not the case for Bracewell.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
The answer is (as always) to blame India for Macewell's test match selection. Because if a T20 specialist like Washington Sundar can help win an historic test series in hostile territory, why not the Beast?
 
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