Agreed....although Wayne Phillips did it with Moderate success a few years ago for Aust and I may be wrong but did stewart do it for England at some stage.marc71178 said:It's too much work for someone in Tests.
Long Term it would likely see his batting and keeping diminish.
From reading a number of his posts, I'd suggest no.Macka said:From my view the only real possiblity of having Styris in the side would be Hamish Marshall opening. McCullum should not open because of obvious reasons. Vincent should not keep wickets - he has said he no longer wants to.
If Fleming was mentally stronger - he has the game and ability to open - it would make the line-up a lot easier to choose.
Blaze: Are you old enough to vote? Just wondering.
No, no I am not.. only just though.Macka said:From my view the only real possiblity of having Styris in the side would be Hamish Marshall opening. McCullum should not open because of obvious reasons. Vincent should not keep wickets - he has said he no longer wants to.
If Fleming was mentally stronger - he has the game and ability to open - it would make the line-up a lot easier to choose.
Blaze: Are you old enough to vote? Just wondering.
Ouch.zinzan12 said:From reading a number of his posts, I'd suggest no.
Same old problem NZ have had for a while now - with the expection of Mark Richardson.
Too many good proven middle order batsmen, and too few proven openers.
IMO we have at least 6 solid proven test players to full the 4 positions from 3-6 in the batting order.
Styris
Vincent
Fleming
H.Marshall
Astle
Oram
some would argue Mcmillan and Sinclair as well from their test records, however I think we should move on from them.
So unfortunately looking ahead at least one of the above players will have to bat out of their normal position and open.
With Phillips it was at a far less intense time in terms of schedules.zinzan12 said:Agreed....although Wayne Phillips did it with Moderate success a few years ago for Aust and I may be wrong but did stewart do it for England at some stage.
I'd argue it'd leave your best middle order batsman out of position.psxpro said:I'd back fleming to score more runs in sa opening than cumming.
That would also allow our best middle order batsmen to play/
marc71178 said:I'd argue it'd leave your best middle order batsman out of position.
Vincent and Astle are definitly in for mine. Styris will have to work his way back in.psxpro said:So who would you drop out of astle, vincent and Styris?
I'd back fleming to score more runs in sa opening than cumming.
That would also allow our best middle order batsmen to play/
Fleming has played more matches at 4 than 3, and has 22 50s at 4 too...psxpro said:He did allright against a good attack in england opening. He struggled vs aussie but not all teams have the accuracy of mgrath etc who has fleming all worked out.
Also fleming has always been a no 3 batsman, thats where he has batted his best and most of the time he has come in early, i don't really see the difference in him opening.
Ming said:Vincent and Astle are definitly in for mine. Styris will have to work his way back in.
I also like the idea of Fleming opening in Tests again, if Styris hits his straps during his county stint.
Thinking about it again, I could actually live with Fleming opening if it means having H.Marshall, Styris, Vincent, Astle and Oram to follow at 3,4,5,6 and 7 respectively.Ming said:Vincent and Astle are definitly in for mine. Styris will have to work his way back in.
I also like the idea of Fleming opening in Tests again, if Styris hits his straps during his county stint.
psxpro said:He did allright against a good attack in england opening. He struggled vs aussie but not all teams have the accuracy of mgrath etc who has fleming all worked out.
Also fleming has always been a no 3 batsman, thats where he has batted his best and most of the time he has come in early, i don't really see the difference in him opening.
Because Styris is not the current 6, and when he's been away injured, Astle and Vincent have impressed in the middle order.psxpro said:Why does styris have to work his way back in?
The last time he played vs Sa he was right on top of them , why can't he do the same again?
Styris deserves his place in the side.
I believe that in this series his most productive time at the crease was when batting with Hamish - and I believe that to be as a result of the style of player Hamish is.......I've previously stated that IMO Hamish has the same effect in the ODI side & that the other players seem to perform better when he is at the crease.........Ming said:Oh, so Astle's runs were all because of Hamish? What a shame....I guess Hamish wasn't there when Astle scored most of his Test and ODI centuries.....
Astle didn't do exactly badly against the Australians, where he averaged over 30, and looked the second best NZ batsman.