***Official*** Sri Lanka in Australia 2012/2013

[uvelocity]

but seriously people complaining about the rotation system, what's your idea? are you like brett lee who goes on and on about 'cotton wool' but doesn't really offer any ideas about how to prevent injures aside how they train in the gym which he goes on and on about? or do you agree with dirk nannes in saying fast bowlers should just not bother until they're 24? it seems to me CA is attempting something akin to a sane solution but playing them when they're fit, and resting them when history tells them something bad could be about to happen. that to me is a lot better than not doing anything at all and saying "didn't see that coming!" when they get injured, or not letting them do anything at all.

I'm in the let bowlers bowl camp. I don't agree that the scientists can yet work out when someone will get injured ahead of time. I'd also be super interested to compare the workload of Jackson bird to start anyway. I'd reckon he's bowled a comparable number of overs in the last say 3 months or whatever

 

[Top_Cat]

Spikey and Bench**** have it knocked.

 

[aussie tragic]

I'm in the let bowlers bowl camp. I don't agree that the scientists can yet work out when someone will get injured ahead of time. I'd also be super interested to compare the workload of Jackson bird to start anyway. I'd reckon he's bowled a comparable number of overs in the last say 3 months or whatever

First Class overs this summer:

Siddle - 272.2 (7 games)
Johnson - 190.4 (6 games)
Bird - 173.5 (6 games)
Starc - 137.4 (4 games)

Yep, Starc definetley needs a rest more than Siddle

 

[morgieb]

Didn't Siddle already get a rest?

 

[uvelocity]

Nice work mate. Who knows what reports and so forth they get. But don trus dem boffins me

 

[Spikey]

97 of Starc's overs come from the recent two tests ftr

I'm in the let bowlers bowl camp. I don't agree that the scientists can yet work out when someone will get injured ahead of time. I'd also be super interested to compare the workload of Jackson bird to start anyway. I'd reckon he's bowled a comparable number of overs in the last say 3 months or whatever

as far as I can tell, they're not trying to prevent hamstrings and side-strains. that is impossible. they're mainly trying to prevent back and foot stress injures. It seems to me scientists are perfectly capable of saying "hey you've been bowling a lot lately. history says, and considering your age, you're approaching a stage when you're a chance of getting a stress injury. you can play, but we've warned you". and then ca is saying "well **** we don't want another bowler out for 6 months. we've got two ashes series in the next 12 months"

eg a whole lotta common sense is being used.

 

[benchmark00]

First Class overs this summer:

Siddle - 272.2 (7 games)
Johnson - 190.4 (6 games)
Bird - 173.5 (6 games)
Starc - 137.4 (4 games)

Yep, Starc definetley needs a rest more than Siddle

How many of those 137 overs has Starc bowled over his last two matches?


And how old is Starc compared to Siddle.

 

[benchmark00]

Edit: **** off spike****.

 

[Spark]

I'm in the let bowlers bowl camp. I don't agree that the scientists can yet work out when someone will get injured ahead of time. I'd also be super interested to compare the workload of Jackson bird to start anyway. I'd reckon he's bowled a comparable number of overs in the last say 3 months or whatever

They called Patto's foot injury before the Sydney test last year. Team ignored it and bam, he's out for a month. Guess that's what they're trying to avoid here.

 

[uvelocity]

97 of Starc's overs come from the recent two tests ftr



as far as I can tell, they're not trying to prevent hamstrings and side-strains. that is impossible. they're mainly trying to prevent back and foot stress injures. It seems to me scientists are perfectly capable of saying "hey you've been bowling a lot lately. history says, and considering your age, you're approaching a stage when you're a chance of getting a stress injury. you can play, but we've warned you". and then ca is saying "well **** we don't want another bowler out for 6 months. we've got two ashes series in the next 12 months"

eg a whole lotta common sense is being used.

Nah **** that. If they are doing that they need to be taking into account force and loads on parts of the body ie nm through the foot on the popping crease. and measuring the strength of the body maybe by bone density or something. And there'd be different limits for each bowler. They decided they didn't want to break the two left armers rule and yeah they decided they didn't want another injury. But they went with the dartboard made of cotton wool method imo.

 

[benchmark00]

And saying that these blokes are getting rested for more limited overs stuff is ridiculous. How many test matches can you play with a stress fracture? It's just the nature of it that test matches are played near other test matches. If they played one test match, then had four limited overs matches in between, then play another test match... and they don't play the test matches but the limited overs matches then you'd have a point.

 

[benchmark00]

Nah **** that. If they are doing that they need to be taking into account force and loads on parts of the body ie nm through the foot on the popping crease. and measuring the strength of the body maybe by bone density or something. And there'd be different limits for each bowler. They decided they didn't want to break the two left armers rule and yeah they decided they didn't want another injury. But they went with the dartboard made of cotton wool method imo.

Wow I can't believe sports scientists haven't thought of that!

 

[uvelocity]

How many of those 137 overs has Starc bowled over his last two matches?


And how old is Starc compared to Siddle.

Don't compare starc and siddle it's irrelevant. Starc and bird. And the timing of those overs wouldn't be much different would it?

 

[Spikey]

Nah **** that. If they are doing that they need to be taking into account force and loads on parts of the body ie nm through the foot on the popping crease. and measuring the strength of the body maybe by bone density or something. And there'd be different limits for each bowler..

well they probably are to some extent. i doubt they'd be that much difference between when patto enters the danger zone and when starc enters it, tho

They decided they didn't want to break the two left armers rule

nothing to suggest this tbh. didn't stop them in perth, mj got dropped for hobart 'cause of the new ball

 

[benchmark00]

Don't compare starc and siddle it's irrelevant. Starc and bird. And the timing of those overs wouldn't be much different would it?

So you think someone who bowls 100 overs over the course of a year and someone who bowls 100 overs in the course of 3 days are just as likely to get injured?? Srsly?

Your only argument here is that 'I don't trust science'.

 

[uvelocity]

Wow I can't believe sports scientists haven't thought of that!

Although with the New Years test not long after resting him for the middle one is the sensible thing and what ought to have happened to patto. Just don't get the impression these clowns know what they are on about

 

[uvelocity]

So you think someone who bowls 100 overs over the course of a year and someone who bowls 100 overs in the course of 3 days are just as likely to get injured?? Srsly?

Your only argument here is that 'I don't trust science'.

What ****? Are you dead and your cat is posting?

 

[Spikey]

hey NUFAN, what are the sportsbet odds on watson opening the bowling. with siddle and mj in the team it's a strong chance

 

[morgieb]

If the test was a dead rubber I wouldn't have a problem with rotation, but it isn't and it makes the test a little bit of a farce.

 

[benchmark00]

What ****? Are you dead and your cat is posting?

I misread your post.. and yeah ofcourse they would be different. When was Bird's last FC game? Starc bowled a hundred in a week. Bird def didn't. He's bowled in Tasmania so has had plenty of rest.