straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Damn, that rules out Luke Woodcock too
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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2012
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Isn't Woodcock the opposite to Sinclair and Franklin in that he performs above his ability due to his mental strength and self-conviction, rather than below his level due to a lack of the aforementioned?Damn, that rules out Luke Woodcock too
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
yeah yeah I'm just using a convenient analogy and stretching it as far as possible.
... on that note, while I think Sinclair's problems at the top level were largely mental, Franklin by comparison as a test batsman has more than enough technical problems.
Have just noticed article on test spots on stuff, though it assumes Ryder fit. Contains excellent Rob Nicol photo. It's a pity neither Broom or Flynn seem like an option at the moment.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah; Franklin had already "made it" as a Test cricketer with his new ball bowling; converting himself into a batsman after his injury in his mid 20s was always going to be a bit a "hail Mary" regardless of the batting talent he had as a kid. I'm more surprised that he's been so ridiculously awesome domestically than I am that he's failed at Test level, and technical problems from someone who played top flight cricket into his mid 20s as a player that didn't need to worry much about his technique are all to be expected. A confident, self-assured Franklin even post-injury should be able to average low to mid 30s with both bat and ball in Tests IMO which would be a great foil to Vettori and it was certainly worth the punt but his batting problems certainly aren't as much "all his head" as Sinclair's, no.
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Howsie
Cricketer Of The Year
I read an article today on stuff that mentioned Rob Nicol as an option for the test team but what exactly has he done to warrent a test cap? George Worker probably has better credentials.Ryder
Can't see how we can put him in the test side when he's like this.
I guess we really might have to consider one of Nicol, Franklin or even KVW for Brownlie's test spot. Am I forgetting anyone? I seriously hope so...
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah I mentioned his distinct lack of Plunket Shield performance earlier but we all know selection (unfortunately) doesn't really work like that and that if scores runs in the ODIs and a batting spot opens up in the Test side he'll probably snag it.
Mike5181
International Captain
Haha god.So Vettori 5 and Franklin 6?
Show that to someone who hasn't followed NZ cricket recently and they will think we are playing 4 batsmen
I wonder what people think of Ellis, Mckay, Bates, Nethula, Latham etc in the ODI squad.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Why is NMac out? Resting him for the tests? 
Our lower order that failed miserably to boost us from a well-set position last two matches is now even weaker.
Edit: Despite myself am pleased Ryder is fit. We need a hundred today and he's close to our best chance for that.
Our lower order that failed miserably to boost us from a well-set position last two matches is now even weaker.
Edit: Despite myself am pleased Ryder is fit. We need a hundred today and he's close to our best chance for that.
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Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
2nd and final ODI today? 
New Zealand Weather Forecast - Valid for:- 1300 NZDT Sat 3 Mar 2012 (0000 GMT Sat 3 Mar 2012)
Don't underrate Nethula, not disputing he's worse than NcC but I think he's got some shots and a good eye in his own right. Will groan if I see Southee coming in ahead, even if McLean Park is a known ground for that ****.
Broke students should note this is live on Prime, like they've done with some other March cricket in the past.
New Zealand Weather Forecast - Valid for:- 1300 NZDT Sat 3 Mar 2012 (0000 GMT Sat 3 Mar 2012)
Don't underrate Nethula, not disputing he's worse than NcC but I think he's got some shots and a good eye in his own right. Will groan if I see Southee coming in ahead, even if McLean Park is a known ground for that ****.
Broke students should note this is live on Prime, like they've done with some other March cricket in the past.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Was going to come here to say South Africa's team just got stronger with Smith being out, but then I looked at his replacement. Oh dear. South Africa really have such a massive gulfs between their better players and then their lesser first XI players and then their reserves.
Briony
International Debutant
There would be better player back in SA than Ontong, including Levi. Hard to fathom how he keeps getting a gig.