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Weak middle order gives India a grim view of the future | Cricket Features | India v South Africa 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

Seriously? One innings?

Lol.

(Sorry Heath)

 

[roseboy64]

Video of Steyn's 7fer.

 

[Goughy]

I watched the highlights earlier and the tail batted like terrified school boys. Not sure why they looked so scared. That would be a worry for me.

 

[Pothas]

Thank you Sky, finally showing both this Test and Australia ODI series on seperate channel instead of having one on the bloody red button which I cannot use on Sky Player, and obviously it was always the test that got relegated. No idea why they did that, not like there is a plethora of meaningless Football matches at this time of night.

Missed it all yesterday as I was in lectures, looking forward to watching bit before inevitably falling asleep, Indian tests fall directly into my sleeping pattern.

 

[aussie]

Agree with you on most points except the bit about 'Played against aussie team in disarray and transition and won'. That is not true. Australia were a pretty strong team, and they played good cricket..and were in a realistic position to win a test match and make it 1-1 had it not been for Ponting's defensive and petty approach. Anyway..point is, the same Australian team in disarray managed to beat South Africa in South Africa. So by no means can you dismiss the win over Australia in 08.

Not a fair & accurate reflection this.

AUS team in the 08 series was indeed in disarray & transition. Any fair minded person could have predicted AUS without McGrath/Warne would have lost in India 08 long before the series began. That was made even worse by the fact when AUS suffered injuries to bowlers like Lee, Clark (which probably was part of reason these two didn't get reverse-swing during that series like Khan & Sharma) & McGain before/during the series. Added to the that Johnson still had not peaked & Siddle/Watson/Krejza where on debut & the idiotic selectorial decision to pick Cameron White as main spinner. AUS bowling resources where severely depleted & was never capable of taking 20 wickets in that series.

Ponting approach was not defensive by any means in that 4th test. He was just adhering to what the match referee told him & was forced into bowling part-timers on that 4th day of that 4th test. If he could have kept bowling the main bowlers (mainly the fast bowlers) he certainly would have.

AUS won in South Africa 09 because they had a improved bowling attack in bowler-friendly conditons. Unlike the IND 08 series the likes of Johnson & Siddle as i said before where either still in his developing stage (Johnson) & Siddle (on debut) - those two basically became test quality/peaked during that series. Different circumstances to IND 08series.

So overall one has to dismiss IND win over AUS 08 due to these circumstances.


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[aussie]

Thank you Sky, finally showing both this Test and Australia ODI series on seperate channel instead of having one on the bloody red button which I cannot use on Sky Player, and obviously it was always the test that got relegated. No idea why they did that, not like there is a plethora of meaningless Football matches at this time of night.

Missed it all yesterday as I was in lectures, looking forward to watching bit before inevitably falling asleep, Indian tests fall directly into my sleeping pattern.

Its happens all the time with Sky TBF over the years. Sometimes when two big cricket series (or ODI vs test) are playing you do get the games of different channels. But other times they put two on the red button which can affect some subscribers at times like what you saying here who can't use it.

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[chalky]

Thank you Sky, finally showing both this Test and Australia ODI series on seperate channel instead of having one on the bloody red button which I cannot use on Sky Player, and obviously it was always the test that got relegated. No idea why they did that, not like there is a plethora of meaningless Football matches at this time of night.

Missed it all yesterday as I was in lectures, looking forward to watching bit before inevitably falling asleep, Indian tests fall directly into my sleeping pattern.

Thank god as it doesn't look like the Aussie game is gonna be very competative.

 

[stephen]

Not a fair & accurate reflection this.

AUS team in the 08 series was indeed in disarray & transition. Any fair minded person could have predicted AUS without McGrath/Warne would have lost in India 08 long before the series began. That was made even worse by the fact when AUS suffered injuries to bowlers like Lee, Clark (which probably was part of reason these two didn't get reverse-swing during that series like Khan & Sharma) & McGain before/during the series. Added to the that Johnson still had not peaked & Siddle/Watson/Krejza where on debut & the idiotic selectorial decision to pick Cameron White as main spinner. AUS bowling resources where severely depleted & was never capable of taking 20 wickets in that series.

Ponting approach was not defensive by any means in that 4th test. He was just adhering to what the match referee told him & was forced into bowling part-timers on that 4th day of that 4th test. If he could have kept bowling the main bowlers (mainly the fast bowlers) he certainly would have.

AUS won in South Africa 09 because they had a improved bowling attack in bowler-friendly conditons. Unlike the IND 08 series the likes of Johnson & Siddle as i said before where either still in his developing stage (Johnson) & Siddle (on debut) - those two basically became test quality/peaked during that series. Different circumstances to IND 08series.

So overall one has to dismiss IND win over AUS 08 due to these circumstances.


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I still don't think you can dismiss a test series victory of any variety. Australia were in transition, true, but they still had a number of very good players and would have been a challenge for any side in world cricket.

It's easy to dismiss accomplishments, but credit where credit is due, India outplayed Australia.

 

[silentstriker]

Not a fair & accurate reflection this.

AUS team in the 08 series was indeed in disarray & transition. Any fair minded person could have predicted AUS without McGrath/Warne would have lost in India 08 long before the series began. That was made even worse by the fact when AUS suffered injuries to bowlers like Lee, Clark (which probably was part of reason these two didn't get reverse-swing during that series like Khan & Sharma) & McGain before/during the series. Added to the that Johnson still had not peaked & Siddle/Watson/Krejza where on debut & the idiotic selectorial decision to pick Cameron White as main spinner. AUS bowling resources where severely depleted & was never capable of taking 20 wickets in that series.

Ponting approach was not defensive by any means in that 4th test. He was just adhering to what the match referee told him & was forced into bowling part-timers on that 4th day of that 4th test. If he could have kept bowling the main bowlers (mainly the fast bowlers) he certainly would have.

AUS won in South Africa 09 because they had a improved bowling attack in bowler-friendly conditons. Unlike the IND 08 series the likes of Johnson & Siddle as i said before where either still in his developing stage (Johnson) & Siddle (on debut) - those two basically became test quality/peaked during that series. Different circumstances to IND 08series.

So overall one has to dismiss IND win over AUS 08 due to these circumstances.


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Love how you can dismiss series where the attack isn't capable of taking twenty wickets. India have never lost a series in their history. Yes!

 

[silentstriker]

Poor ball, but not the type of shot you should be playing Sachin...no footwork, away from the body, in the air.....

 

[aussie]

I still don't think you can dismiss a test series victory of any variety. Australia were in transition, true, but they still had a number of very good players and would have been a challenge for any side in world cricket.

Not in India with that bowling attack. Lets not forget even in AUS glory years of 95-2006/07 the sub-continent was their achillies heel for a long time. I dont think anyone seriously expected AUS to win that series months before, at least i didn't.

It's easy to dismiss accomplishments, but credit where credit is due, India outplayed Australia.

They outplayed AUS because AUS bowling was weak. That 2008 win isn't on par with the 2001 & 98 wins (although the pace attack was then as well) vs AUS.

 

[aussie]

Love how you can dismiss series where the attack isn't capable of taking twenty wickets.

Seems like you are a bit off with your history. You need certain obvious qualities in your bowling attack to be able win/take 20 wickets in India. AUS did have them, so they always would have lost in 2008. Simple.

India have never lost a series in their history. Yes!

What?

 

[R_D]

Not a fair & accurate reflection this.

AUS team in the 08 series was indeed in disarray & transition. Any fair minded person could have predicted AUS without McGrath/Warne would have lost in India 08 long before the series began. That was made even worse by the fact when AUS suffered injuries to bowlers like Lee, Clark (which probably was part of reason these two didn't get reverse-swing during that series like Khan & Sharma) & McGain before/during the series. Added to the that Johnson still had not peaked & Siddle/Watson/Krejza where on debut & the idiotic selectorial decision to pick Cameron White as main spinner. AUS bowling resources where severely depleted & was never capable of taking 20 wickets in that series.

Ponting approach was not defensive by any means in that 4th test. He was just adhering to what the match referee told him & was forced into bowling part-timers on that 4th day of that 4th test. If he could have kept bowling the main bowlers (mainly the fast bowlers) he certainly would have.

AUS won in South Africa 09 because they had a improved bowling attack in bowler-friendly conditons. Unlike the IND 08 series the likes of Johnson & Siddle as i said before where either still in his developing stage (Johnson) & Siddle (on debut) - those two basically became test quality/peaked during that series. Different circumstances to IND 08series.

So overall one has to dismiss IND win over AUS 08 due to these circumstances.


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By that count we should dismiss this eventual series victory by South Africa because India's 3 regular batsman (I'd take Yuvi over Saha) aren't playing and plus we have a handicap of having crap bowlers.

 

[stephen]

Not in India with that bowling attack. Lets not forget even in AUS glory years of 95-2006/07 the sub-continent was their achillies heel for a long time. I dont think anyone seriously expected AUS to win that series months before, at least i didn't.



They outplayed AUS because AUS bowling was weak. That 2008 win isn't on par with the 2001 & 98 wins (although the pace attack was then as well) vs AUS.

So can we dismiss every series played in Australia between 96 and 07 where Australia had an attack containing McGrath and/or Warne, because the opposition had no chance and noone expected them to win?

 

[Pothas]

Love the Kallis Sunhat/Glasses/Cap Combo.

 

[aussie]

By that count we should dismiss this eventual series victory by South Africa because India's 3 regular batsman (I'd take Yuvi over Saha) aren't playing and plus we have a handicap of having crap bowlers.

How is AUS losing in IND 08 in a period of transition/decline, remotely comparable to IND probably losing in SA in this current series when they are still ranked # 1 & supposedly on the up?

If INDs batting dont step up in this series, it will prove their depth is up to scratch yet. A key part of being # 1 is having a good back-up FYI, AUS depth in the glory years stepped up in many series when main XI players where injured.

 

[NUFAN]

How's Boucher looking behind the stumps today?

If Steyn struggles (it's a big if) I think India will end up batting into the 5th day and giving South Africa a testing target.

 

[silentstriker]

The depth....




Seriously?

 

[silentstriker]

How's Boucher looking behind the stumps today?

If Steyn struggles (it's a big if) I think India will end up batting into the 5th day and giving South Africa a testing target.

Don't worry mate, there's no chance of that. SA will wrap this up today, no problem.

 

[silentstriker]

SA commentators doing their best to place the commentator's curse on Tendulkar .