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*Official* South Africa in India

Pup Clarke

Cricketer Of The Year
Anyone support the idea of Ojha or another seamer (Sreesanth, Pathan, Tyagi) coming in for Harbhajan for the 2nd test, unless he produces here?

Since the start of 2009 he's averaged almost 35 from 8 tests, feel Mishra should be the number one spinner now and that India need a 3rd seamer, especially to support Zaheer.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
The idea that players who score quickly and bowlers that have a high strike rate are more important that those that dont as they give the team more time to force a victory..
They also give the opposition more time to force victory.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
They also give the opposition more time to force victory.
Hence game situation part and also the attitude and aspirations of the team.

'Winning time' was a core philosophy of the great Yorkshire teams and, I suspect, the recent Australian team.
 
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Uppercut

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I completely disagree with Ret that SA should have done better but I can see his overall point even if it is exaggerated.

A core concept of cricket was, and still is to a certain extent, 'winning time'. The idea that players who score quickly and bowlers that have a high strike rate are more important that those that dont as they give the team more time to force a victory. Cricket isnt played in a bubble. Every innings is framed by the game situation. 'How much' sometimes isnt as important as 'how' depending on the game situation. If SA crawl at 2 rpo in the first session today then this is an example of how 'winning time' is being eaten despite the score progressing.
Yeah, you're quite right, it's taken in isolation that the comment is so incorrect.

I have a lot more time for strike rate in a bowler than I do in a batsman. Bowling strike rates are by far the most underrated statistic in cricket. They are, effectively, a measure of how likely the player is to take a wicket when the captain throws the ball to him.

There's a few reasons why I don't rate batting strike rate so highly. Firstly, there are plenty of times when it's better to score your runs slowly than to score them quickly. Defensive cricket, but often you're batting for a draw. The circumstances where taking a wicket slowly is preferable to taking it quickly are so obscure and questionable that they're not even worth mentioning. Secondly, the circumstances where taking wickets quickly is necessary- i.e, you've got plenty of runs but are running out of time- are a lot more common than those where scoring runs quickly is necessary. That said, a lot has to do with the quality of the bowler. If someone's averaging 45 I'd rather they were economical than had a good strike rate, but if they're averaging 25 the opposite is true.

In this case it's rather ambiguous. Will India be batting time at the end of this match or will it be South Africa? We really have no idea. Last time, South Africa reached 540, Sehwag went nuts on days 3 and 4 and South Africa were left having to bat out the final day to save the test. Yorkshire and Australia didn't generally need to worry about such outcomes. Fast runs were always preferable, because it was almost always the other team praying for rain at the end of a game. In a game like this though, no one really knows who fast scoring will benefit.
 

ret

International Debutant
What would Ind prefer:

SA 550 all out in 150 overs or SA 625/5 declare after 200 overs.

Take your pick. Ind remains #1 if the series ends in a draw and it's under-strength with the one of the most inexperienced middle order they have had in a quite a few years

Ind team should look at this as an opportunity to get some quick wkts as now SA not only have to put up a good score but also score at a decent pace (assuming they want to give themselves enough time to win the game). If Ind pick up a few wkts, SA run rate will go down and the pressure to get to a good total will still be there. On the other hand, if SA manage to press on and put up a good total then credit to them

I am hoping for some luck to go India's way on Day 2!
 

ret

International Debutant
Anyone support the idea of Ojha or another seamer (Sreesanth, Pathan, Tyagi) coming in for Harbhajan for the 2nd test, unless he produces here?

Since the start of 2009 he's averaged almost 35 from 8 tests, feel Mishra should be the number one spinner now and that India need a 3rd seamer, especially to support Zaheer.
Unless the pitch is an absolute turner (that starts turning from day 1 or 2), I don't see enough benefits in playing two spinners, especially if one of them is a restrictive option .... On a flat pitch like this one, it's not a bad idea to play 5 bowlers or 4 bowlers with a bowling all-rounder. Whenever possible one should go in with 3 pacers

considering how some of the guys are injured, I would have liked a line up like the one below for this test:

- Viru
- GG
- Vijay
- Ten
- Badri
- Dhoni
- Jadeja / I Pathan
- Mishy
- Zak
- Ishant
- Tyagi / Mithun (if Jadeja is playing) or Ashwin / Chawla (if IP is playing as the all-rounder)

Jadeja could be a good option as he won't bowl any worse than Bhajji (who bowls as if he is throwing darts). If the pitch has something in it for him then he can exploit that too. His presence lends depth to both batting and bowling and allows Ind to play 3 seamers.

IP is also a good choice as it means playing 3 seamers and 2 spinners. And as a batsman he is not far behind than some of the guys who have batted at #7 of late. He allows us to play 2 specialist spinners + 2 pacers (whom he supports as the 3rd seamer)

This is where Ind is missing Ganguly as he could operate as a 3rd seamer and give Ind some break throughs

For the 2nd test, I would go with the line up like the one below, unless some of the guys do extremely well at Nagpur

- Viru
- GG
- Vijay
- Ten
- Badri
- Dhoni
- Mishy
- Zak
- Ishant
- Chawla / Ashwin
- Sree

If batting needs to be strengthened then Jadeja can play instead of Chawla / Ashwin
 
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NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
Kallis and Amla were absolutely brilliant yesterday. I wasn't too impressed with the field settings that Dhoni had for the spinners, there was too many gaps leg side for Kallis in particular to pick up ones and twos.

Sorry if it's been mentioned, but how does everyone think Mishra performed? He was getting such low bounce, is that likely because of his action or the pitch, I reckon it's his action.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Sorry if it's been mentioned, but how does everyone think Mishra performed? He was getting such low bounce, is that likely because of his action or the pitch, I reckon it's his action.

Both, he should have picked up a few wickets based on what the pitch was doing for him (or maybe what he was doing with the pitch). I was not a huge fan of the field settings really - but I didn't like going in with two fast bowlers either.
 
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social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Without wading into the debate, SA would be absolutely delighted with their position at the end of day 1

On the other hand, some quick wickets on day 2 will bring India back into it

However, you cannot imagine SA getting less than 400 and even that could prove to be an ok total as my feeling is that the wicket wasnt as good as 2-292 would imply
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Also, if Harby is negotiated this well on Indian pitches, the selectors have to have a serious re-think about his position.

Now, obviously, it's quite harsh to judge a fingerspinner on a day 1 pitch, but if India are going to go in with two spinners, they need a spinner to do better on day one.
 

HMas

U19 12th Man
Ishant charging in and bowling his effort ball in mid 130k :laugh:

India & fast bowling just dont add up :laugh:
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Khan and Sharma really looking mediocre here - mid 120s is unlikely to trouble too many top batsmen
 

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