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***Official*** South Africa In Australia

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
Kallis at his best this evening - bowlers producing all sorts of nasty deliveries, even sitting him on his butt with his helmet half-off his head at one point - Jacques just readjusts his helmet, gives the tiniest nod to the bowler, otherwise remains utterly unruffled, takes guard again - resists, and then pounces as soon as poorer bowling becomes available. WAG. :clap:
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
Caught the end of the day, top bowling by Brett Lee, but for little reward.
Agreed - ridiculous number of wicket-taking deliveries just failing to find an edge in that spell. That spell would be the most craft-full, intelligent, spell I've seen Lee bowl to date. If he can consistently produce that kind of bowling, even if he does only average 140kph from now on, he'll be the first choice seamer for a while yet.
 

vicky

School Boy/Girl Captain
What a great day for quality cricket... kallis getting runs and wickets dravid hitting a century and we win our local park cricket derby by 80 runs... doesn't get much better

edit: w00t... 50 posts and it's only taken me 2 years :D
 

Craig

World Traveller
So who should be Australia's 3rd seamer with Clark out, somebody who will not ease the pressure off the two batsmen at the crease? I guess they won't go Bollinger because they may not want to have two left arm seamers (or it doesn't matter) in the attack.

I'm sure Siddle will be successful, but I think he needs more SS time for Victoria.
 

Craig

World Traveller
What a great day for quality cricket... kallis getting runs and wickets dravid hitting a century and we win our local park cricket derby by 80 runs... doesn't get much better

edit: w00t... 50 posts and it's only taken me 2 years :D
Quality not quantity :p

That said, maybe I should take my own advice :ph34r:
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
The commentators made what I thought was a fair point re: Siddle - that it often seems to take players two or three matches at the WACA to work out their lengths etc. Steyn may have been suffering the same issue this match.

Siddle's record at the WACA is pretty dire cf. his overall record, based I think on no more than one or two matches there. It might be a specific issue of either needing to learn to adjust to conditions faster (which is I imagine a hard thing to learn, else we'd all do it), or simply get more experience at the WACA.

Hilfenhaus has been doing better than Bollinger from what I've seen of recent results...
 

inbox24

International Debutant
This is definitely South Africa's game, they'll probably be only requiring 100 runs by the time lunch rolls around with still 7 wickets remaining. A miracle is needed for us to win it.

For the 2nd test, our best option would be to cut out Siddle and Hayden, but obviously that's not gonna happen.
 

pup11

International Coach
The commentators made what I thought was a fair point re: Siddle - that it often seems to take players two or three matches at the WACA to work out their lengths etc. Steyn may have been suffering the same issue this match.

Siddle's record at the WACA is pretty dire cf. his overall record, based I think on no more than one or two matches there. It might be a specific issue of either needing to learn to adjust to conditions faster (which is I imagine a hard thing to learn, else we'd all do it), or simply get more experience at the WACA.

Hilfenhaus has been doing better than Bollinger from what I've seen of recent results...
Siddle is a bowler who depends on either a bit of swing or seam to be effective, neither were there and hence he struggled, but to his credit in first innings even despite that he just kept running in and bowling at the stumps therefore despite not picking wickets he was pretty economical, but the second time around Siddle in desperation to get wickets started experimenting way too much and as a result was all over the shop.

Siddle has all the makings of becoming a fantastic fast bowler for Australia over the years but i don't think his time has come yet, Hilfenhaus should replace him in the XI for the boxing day test, Hilfenhaus seems to be fit and back among the wickets therefore its worth giving him a go, i know its kind of harsh on Bollinger but i heard Ponting say in India that he wasn't too keen on playing two left arm quicks in the same side (which is something i find no real logic in), so that might go against Bollinger.

Johnson played on the same pitches too.
That really is no argument at all, Lee too played in the two tests that Siddle has played in but he has also not picked many wickets either in those tests, the thing is Siddle and Johnson are two completely different bowlers and therefore their effectiveness might vary in different conditions and add to that Johnson seems to be in red hot form atm, which too makes a huge difference.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
This is definitely South Africa's game, they'll probably be only requiring 100 runs by the time lunch rolls around with still 7 wickets remaining. A miracle is needed for us to win it.

For the 2nd test, our best option would be to cut out Siddle and Hayden, but obviously that's not gonna happen.
South Africa still have a long way to go. It's 50/50 at best for them, they're only halfway to the total and they're three down, with a pretty weak tail. If Australia get a couple of early wickets tomorrow it's pretty much over. If South Africa bat until lunch without losing more than one or two wickets, then they're in a position to win the game.

Also, there's no reason Hayden should be dropped. He's not in the best of form but he is a proven player and deserves more time. If he fails the rest of the series and doesn't retire, maybe then his position should come under question.
 

Uppercut

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I'm surprised at the pessimism amongst a lot of you Aussies, i still have them as clear favourites tbh. One wicket they'll be telling themselves, the Safrican tail won't wag like the Australian one does. If Ponting starts with Johnson and Lee, and i firmly believe he should, with the way they're bowling it shouldn't be too much to ask.

I'd say Australia to win by 50 runs.
 

pup11

International Coach
South Africa still have a long way to go. It's 50/50 at best for them, they're only halfway to the total and they're three down, with a pretty weak tail. If Australia get a couple of early wickets tomorrow it's pretty much over. If South Africa bat until lunch without losing more than one or two wickets, then they're in a position to win the game.

Also, there's no reason Hayden should be dropped. He's not in the best of form but he is a proven player and deserves more time. If he fails the rest of the series and doesn't retire, maybe then his position should come under question.
As i said in the other thread from where i see it he is definitely not out of form, because an out of form player can't time the ball like he is doing atm, he looks perfectly at ease when he is at the crease every time he comes out to bat, but he just seems to get out one way or the another, or he ends up being at the rough end of an umpiring decision or when none of these things happens he tends run himself out, so that pretty much goes onto show that he is not having the best of the time as far luck in concerned, but he is too good a player to be kept quite for too long and he would surely bounce back soon.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Johnson played on the same pitches too.
It is unfair to compare a newcomer like Siddle to a great like Johnson.

Agreed - ridiculous number of wicket-taking deliveries just failing to find an edge in that spell. That spell would be the most craft-full, intelligent, spell I've seen Lee bowl to date. If he can consistently produce that kind of bowling, even if he does only average 140kph from now on, he'll be the first choice seamer for a while yet.
Indeed and only averaging 140kph is hardly a bad thing too, when the peak is still up at 146kph. It is sad to see his pace dropping, but he seems to be just staving up the ravages of age as far as his performances go. That slower ball "leg cutter" (was actually an outswinger grip with the ball held deep in the hand) to Kallis was a work of art.

The commentators made what I thought was a fair point re: Siddle - that it often seems to take players two or three matches at the WACA to work out their lengths etc. Steyn may have been suffering the same issue this match.
Steyn certainly did not seem to 'know' his length in both innings. That being said, the natural talent of his swing and pace carried him through somewhat.

Hilfenhaus has been doing better than Bollinger from what I've seen of recent results...
Get Nannes in the Test team while he's still tearing it up:ph34r:

Siddle is a bowler who depends on either a bit of swing or seam to be effective, neither were there and hence he struggled, but to his credit in first innings even despite that he just kept running in and bowling at the stumps therefore despite not picking wickets he was pretty economical, but the second time around Siddle in desperation to get wickets started experimenting way too much and as a result was all over the shop.
I have not seen much of the game, so this comment could be irrelevant, but Siddle does not seem to be a bowler who gets massive amounts of movement but rather one who just runs in and pounds the corridor. I think he should shift his line to an off stump line rather than outside off stump and look to attack the stumps and force shots. He will be expensive, but he will take wickets and that is what is expected of the first change seamer (that, or extreme economy, and it is safe to say that economy is not Siddle's trade).
 

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
This is definitely South Africa's game, they'll probably be only requiring 100 runs by the time lunch rolls around with still 7 wickets remaining. A miracle is needed for us to win it.

For the 2nd test, our best option would be to cut out Siddle and Hayden, but obviously that's not gonna happen.
It'll be interesting to see which bowler they pick as 12th man for the next test, it will show us who's next in line. I presume not Watson, they will only pick him as a fourth seamer otherwise why jump Siddle over him when Clark got injured? So I'm guessing Bollinger, but perhaps someone else?
 

biased indian

International Coach
Kallis have to play an inngs smillar to what tendulkar did in chennai...surely Aus will take wickets tommorrow ...so hope it goes down to the wire and SA just make across by say 2 wickets with kallis around 140 not out will make my day
 

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
I'm surprised no-one's really said anything about Boucher. I reckon if one of the batsmen's left in, he's a bloke who can easily share a 100-partnership.
 

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I'm surprised no-one's really said anything about Boucher. I reckon if one of the batsmen's left in, he's a bloke who can easily share a 100-partnership.
Yeah, and it's his kind of situation. Also he can hit out very well with the tail. But they need to cut the deficit down quite a bit before they'd be comfortable with him coming in. The key is the first session. See off Lee and Johnson's first spells of bowling without loss and it's South Africa's match to lose.
 
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howardj

International Coach
The game is still very much in the balance. Clearly, South Africa need to settle back in tomorrow and can ill afford to lose a wicket in the first hour or so. Anyway, have been appalled with how Australia have bowled to Kallis. Anybody who has watched him in the past 18 months knows that he's troubled early doors by staight and full bowling. He is a tremendous backfoot player who rarely looks in peril against short pitched bowling. For all the planning Australia do, they've been asleep at the wheel on this one.
 

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