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***Official*** South Africa in Australia 2012
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Spikey
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just about stand by this tbh.
not based on cricketing reasons obv. chip on my shoulder and all that
Prince EWS
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That was before he came out and said the Barmy Army hurt his feelings though. That was ridiculous. I marked him never to play again at that moment.
Cabinet96
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Well, you don't, but you're still tasting in some form or another.
Edit: Beaten FFS.
Spark
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Haha yeah, way beyond self-parody.
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Australia v South Africa, 3rd Test, Perth : To sub, or not to sub? | Cricket Features | Australia v South Africa | ESPN Cricinfo
You know, I don't mind the idea of a sub in the shield cricket, but not actually for the reasons in there. Given the shield is more and more 'just' a reserves comp, the problem of a bowling breaking down and a batsman knocking up a ton that has a question mark hanging over it is, well, more of a problem. So I wouldn't mind it from that perspective. def. don't support it in test cricket tho.
You know, I don't mind the idea of a sub in the shield cricket, but not actually for the reasons in there. Given the shield is more and more 'just' a reserves comp, the problem of a bowling breaking down and a batsman knocking up a ton that has a question mark hanging over it is, well, more of a problem. So I wouldn't mind it from that perspective. def. don't support it in test cricket tho.
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You can't have subs as you would get sides abusing it by having fake injuries to get another spinner involved if the pitch turns and so on.
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WRT subs, the ICC could have a panel of doctors in all of its host countries. When a player is injured in a situation like Kallis has been, the local panel members could look at his scans or medical reports and overnight give a yay or nay to any proposed substitute.
My own view is it's a sad part of the game that players get injured in the course of FC or test matches, and teams need to deal with it. But then again, it's now a professional sport and livelihoods of team mates can be at stake if a side which loses a player loses a match instead of drawing one, or even winning. It's a vexed question. I think the easiest way is to maintain the status quo, but it's not really satisfactory either.
My own view is it's a sad part of the game that players get injured in the course of FC or test matches, and teams need to deal with it. But then again, it's now a professional sport and livelihoods of team mates can be at stake if a side which loses a player loses a match instead of drawing one, or even winning. It's a vexed question. I think the easiest way is to maintain the status quo, but it's not really satisfactory either.
Justo
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I'd personally allow replacements for genuine injuries but make it based on innings. I'd also make it that replacements have to be determined before the match E.G. each team has a 15 man squad. Replacement A is able to replace 1-6 in the batting line up, replacement B is able to replace the wicket keeper and replacement C is able to replace a bowler in the event of injury.
I would only allow the replacements to come in at the start of the 3rd innings. This could mean that a team might have to bowl or bat in the first and second innings down a player but for the third and fourth innings they'd be back to full strength. This avoids the possibility of fresh bowlers/batsmen coming in mid innings while still ensuring that teams are able to be competitive.
Replacements also would need to be approved by the umpires and/or medical staff. Obviously things like cramps etc wouldn't warrant a replacement. Only genuine injuries/illness being the cause for replacement.
I would only allow the replacements to come in at the start of the 3rd innings. This could mean that a team might have to bowl or bat in the first and second innings down a player but for the third and fourth innings they'd be back to full strength. This avoids the possibility of fresh bowlers/batsmen coming in mid innings while still ensuring that teams are able to be competitive.
Replacements also would need to be approved by the umpires and/or medical staff. Obviously things like cramps etc wouldn't warrant a replacement. Only genuine injuries/illness being the cause for replacement.
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Substitute? You bishs cray?
Runners is a tricky one, they definitely should have them in theory, but in practice it's impossible to police, even with an independent doctor/trained medical professional. Say a bloke goes down with cramp (which is generally seen as conditioning, not injury), what's stopping the player from saying it's actually a torn muscle? They can't stop the game and get scans and then give him a runner if he has torn his calf.
Maybe if they have a rule where once you start your innings, if you get injured you can't have a runner, but if you sustain an injury before you go out to bat during the course of the match, then if it's tested and seen to be an injury, you're allowed a runner.
Runners is a tricky one, they definitely should have them in theory, but in practice it's impossible to police, even with an independent doctor/trained medical professional. Say a bloke goes down with cramp (which is generally seen as conditioning, not injury), what's stopping the player from saying it's actually a torn muscle? They can't stop the game and get scans and then give him a runner if he has torn his calf.
Maybe if they have a rule where once you start your innings, if you get injured you can't have a runner, but if you sustain an injury before you go out to bat during the course of the match, then if it's tested and seen to be an injury, you're allowed a runner.
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Ponting set to announce retirement today.