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hahaha. i was actually trying to think of the last time a nightwatchman got sent out against us, can't think of anyoneIf the figures came out ok, then it'd obviously be all the nightwatchman he's gotten out.
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Prince EWS
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Well if Clarke tried his four fast bowlers and that wasn't working, I don't think he'd be feeling the love for trying a fifth fast bowler. He'd probably sooner bowl himself or Warner, or even go down to a completely different pace of seamer in Hussey, just to change the method of attack and test out a different part of the batsman's technique.
I'm probably even more of a "pick your best four bowlers" type of guy than you are, but it changes completely for me when you've got a legitimate five man attack. Personally, irrespective of Lyon's form, I'm a lot more enthused about a Watson+Lyon bowling combination than a Starc+Clarke/Warner bowling combination. If it means Watson ends up bowling closer to 20 overs a day than 10 for one or two Tests in the whole summer then so be it.
Prince EWS
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That's what top seven batsmen average when they get out to Lyon. It's a totally different thing. StatsGuru doesn't keep ball by ball records so you can't do what you're trying to do.I got this: Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Obviously did something wrong
Meanwhile: Batsmen Dismissed Summary
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I find that crazy. No way should Watson be bowling that much and batting 3. Struggles to get to three figures as it is, bowling him too much pretty much guarantees that Australia's number 3 will not score a ton this summer. I find that an unacceptable trade-off.
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ok but what about your database
Cabinet96
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Ah makes sense. I remember people on here saying that a while back actually.
Out of interest, do you know if the figures they use for Cricinfo's numbers game, for batsmen against certain bowlers are correct?
Prince EWS
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Yep, those are correct. CricInfo has that sort of data in its main database (every ball since 2002 or something I believe) but they haven't made that sort of stuff available to the public yet, other than in their articles.
Ruckus
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yep, agree.
Prince EWS
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I'm highly sceptical that Watson's bowling workload should really have any affect on his conversion rate, but even if it does, I'm not asking to bowling that much every game, or even necessarily in both innings at Brisbane if Lyon actually bowls well.
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Watson himself has said bowling too much affects his batting, tbh. He also plays all 3 forms so it stands to reason his workload will affect his batting and that's on top of his brain's propensity to leave his body at key moments.
On Lyon, that's a massive 'if' at the moment. That's what Benchy and I are getting at. If Lyon gets pumped, that puts the load back on Watson and the bowlers to do the job. The likelihood of that occurring is looking, well, likely.
On Lyon, that's a massive 'if' at the moment. That's what Benchy and I are getting at. If Lyon gets pumped, that puts the load back on Watson and the bowlers to do the job. The likelihood of that occurring is looking, well, likely.
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Cabinet96
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Cheers. While we're at it, do you know any sites that have a similar setup as Satsguru for FC matches?
Prince EWS
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CricketArchive's Oracle is the best you're going to get on that front, but it's no patch on it really.
Cabinet96
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Alright thanks, will look into it.
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I agree with my cricket chat multi, Top_****.
If they're not going to pick Lyon (which I think they will) and
going 4 pace bowlers and Watson lacks variety, why not give McDonald a go.
Played in test series win against the Saffers.
Less likely to get carted then Lyon, will bowls stack of overs
Has an FC bowling average in line with most og current crop (28.5)
Be a genuine number 8 (would have batted with Wade lots) and give some variety.
going 4 pace bowlers and Watson lacks variety, why not give McDonald a go.
Played in test series win against the Saffers.
Less likely to get carted then Lyon, will bowls stack of overs
Has an FC bowling average in line with most og current crop (28.5)
Be a genuine number 8 (would have batted with Wade lots) and give some variety.
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Because he's not in the squad boi.
Spikey
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Seems like a SOK or Maxwell or someone would be more sensible for that role. You know, replacing Lyon for someone expected to play as a bit part all-rounder.
and yeah squad. but that's why they probably don't even consider. replace him with a bowler if he gets replaced
and yeah squad. but that's why they probably don't even consider. replace him with a bowler if he gets replaced