*Official* Second Test at the Adelaide Oval

[Tom Halsey]

Again, this is not correct.

The same reason why a swing bowlers ball will swing is the same reason a spin bowlers ball will drift, with the air flying over the smooth sides of the ball. If the seam is upright or tilted to one side slightly, but remains that way throughout the ball will move accordingly.

This (to suggest Magnus Effect is not involved) contradicts the laws of physics. When a ball is undercut, or over- or underspun, a Magnus Effect is produced. It's the same way footballers swerve a seamless football and tennis players slice (or whatever) a seamless tennis ball, golfers fade or draw a seamless golf ball and so on.

 

[stephen]

Where y'at stephen, thought it was fairly set?

Huh? I never said anything of the sort.

In other news, the only way you can generate drift as a spinner is to put overspin on the ball. The wind may cause drift, but that is different. Overspin uses the rough/shiny side to cause the ball to drift as air passes more easily over one of the sides, pulling the ball to the rough side (until it's reversing).

 

[benchmark00]

I specifically said somewhat because it doesn't need to look totally like a flying saucer. It's usually a combination of sidespin and undercut. Swann is always mixing the amount of sidespin and undercut on nearly all of his deliveries. That's almost precisely why he says he's not sure which will turn and which will slide on. There's at least a bit of both on every delivery. There's usually a little bit of overspin too but nothing dramatic really.

And Lyon doesn't get a ton of overspin either. He gets a little dip, a little drift and a little turn, and varies the combination of all three with his orientation, but he doesn't have a vicious top spinner, undercutter, or off-break. Guys who really get overspin: Murali, Harbhajan, Shillingford and most recently Ashwin. Ashwin has a genuine topspinner that's almost pure overspin with a little sidespin

I implore you to watch Nathan Lyon this test and tell me he doesn't bowl with massive overspin.

 

[Spikey]

the good news is that the shower currently at Cape Jarvis is on track to hit the oval just as they go back onto the field

128 km Adelaide (Buckland Park) Radar Loop

 

[Spark]

Lyon bowls with almost exclusively overspin, not sure what JontyPanesar is getting at.

 

[Spark]

Lyon bowls with almost exclusively overspin, not sure what JontyPanesar is getting at.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah but what about Geelong?

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Warner, Warner, Warner.

The day he bats through a whole day will probably never come, but it's nice to fantasise every now and then.

 

[JontyPanesar]

Lyon bowls with almost exclusively overspin, not sure what JontyPanesar is getting at.

Almost exclusively overspin? Seriously, I'm starting to question if we're working with the same definitions here.

 

[NUFAN]

Oh boy, some classic Smitty shots there. Screencaps this Test match Spikey?

 

[Tom Halsey]

Almost exclusively overspin? Seriously, I'm starting to question if we're working with the same definitions here.

I wouldn't say almost exclusively tbf, but he definitely bowls with a lot of overspin, that part I agreed with.

 

[JontyPanesar]

I implore you to watch Nathan Lyon this test and tell me he doesn't bowl with massive overspin.

And I implore you to compare the amount of overspin Lyon gets with the amount Harbhajan or Shillingford get on their top-spinners. Or even Ashwin's top-spinner that he was bowling in that Oz series this past year. Nevertheless, Imma make dinner and if it's not too late for bedtime, then video shall settle this...

 

[Spikey]

Oh boy, some classic Smitty shots there. Screencaps this Test match Spikey?

what happened

 

[social]

the good news is that the shower currently at Cape Jarvis is on track to hit the oval just as they go back onto the field

128 km Adelaide (Buckland Park) Radar Loop

Adelaide has great food & wine, **** weather & pitch

Lord giveth and taketh away

 

[Spikey]

oh wow C9 are gonna broadcast a highlights hour

 

[social]

the good news is that the shower currently at Cape Jarvis is on track to hit the oval just as they go back onto the field

128 km Adelaide (Buckland Park) Radar Loop

Adelaide has great food & wine, **** weather & pitch

Lord giveth and taketh away

 

[Burgey]

First mention on Sky of the slips needing to stand close.

 

[Spikey]

hope hussey talks about drift some more

 

[Burgey]

Rogers looks so much better when he tries to play those balls on his pads wide of mid on instead of just forward of square leg. Full face of the bat and all.

 

[Burgey]

For those in England, the second session finishes at 5.05 a.m., which reminds me there used to be a polly waffle at Guildford called 505.

Or so I'm told